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Attempted PCGS Australia Grading Conversion

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 Posted 08/18/2013  05:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
I think it all depends which country the coin comes from.
Quite frankly I have seen some bloody awful Morgan's in MS slabs and some great Aussie coins in AU slabs
The consistency of the grading of US and Canadian coins is pretty consistent with Sheldon But for other countries They seem to think those coins are "Inferior" for some unknown reason .

For this reasoning I fully agree with Sap as far as US coins go
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08/18/2013 06:14 am
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 Posted 08/18/2013  06:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list
trout you've mentioned this before but I'm yet to see examples. Care to post a few?
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 Posted 08/18/2013  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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trout you've mentioned this before but I'm yet to see examples. Care to post a few?

I will in about 57 days, Mark called it at MS64 I called it at MS66.
We will wait and see
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 Posted 08/18/2013  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
Is this the 54 threepence?
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 Posted 08/18/2013  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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Is this the 54 threepence?

That's the one, I have been coerced into getting the bloody thing slabbed so Mark and PP are taking care of business for me
If it comes back less than MS64 I will feel vindicated.
If it comes back MS 64 or better , then I will just have to eat crow
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 Posted 08/18/2013  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list
I agree with Sap more than OMF about the grade shifting. If Gem is MS65 then what is MS66 or MS67? extra gem and super extra gem?
I looked not 5 minutes ago at a slabbed penny with the grade of VF35. I wouldn't have rated it much more than gF as the diamond was half gone, so it's Aussie buyer beware with the slabs.
And when you see a pre decimal in a MS66 slab the MS 60 next to it looks like the poor cousin.
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 Posted 08/18/2013  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serial to your friends list
I have a 1942 m threepence that I was considering getting slabbed


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as is typical with this year it has a weak strike but heaps of lustre in the low contact area's
if what your saying is true I should get a high ef score n it. why wouldn't I get it graded? if I can place the coin in a high grade slab it will sell for more on ebay compared to me selling it based on my pictures (average pics at best compared to in hand appeal)
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 Posted 08/18/2013  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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I have a 1942 m threepence that I was considering getting slabbed


nice coin serial but to be quite honest , Not worth slabbing.
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 Posted 08/19/2013  05:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serial to your friends list
well normally I would agree with you trout but the thing is , from what I have heard on this site, the strike does not affect the grade. rather it is the wear and this coin has heaps of lustre and cartwheels nicely. I believe that I could get a good ef to aunc based on that. if I did then the book value would be 5 - 10 times what I paid for it. that makes it worth it dosnt it?
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 Posted 08/19/2013  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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well normally I would agree with you trout but the thing is , from what I have heard on this site, the strike does not affect the grade. rather it is the wear and this coin has heaps of lustre and cartwheels nicely. I believe that I could get a good ef to aunc based on that. if I did then the book value would be 5 - 10 times what I paid for it. that makes it worth it dosnt it?


From your pic's I would grade this VF-gVF, Too many dings and wear to be EF-AU.
most of our predecimals are not really worth slabbing unless they are MS grades.
A $90 coin in XF40=gVF slabbed
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 Posted 08/19/2013  05:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serial to your friends list
see that's the problem, it has one ding and mint lustre all over, I just cannot get this on camera as I don't have the skills/equipment to take a good pic. I do however know how to look through a magnifying glass and the difference between a cleaned coin/mint lustre and weak strike/worn out coin and I assure you if I could put this in your hand your opinion would change. this means that for me to get the best $$ when I eventually sell this coin I can
a. learn to take better pics and spend $$ on better equipment or
B. get it graded
that's just how I see it
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 Posted 08/20/2013  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list
Hey I would have to disagree with saps grading particularly on MS60-65 and personally I think MS65 is GEM, 63-64 is CHU and 60-62 is UNC due primarily that they can not have any wear while the highest grade aUNC could possibly be would be AU-58 as it is the first grade to allow for any wear whatsoever. Anyway just some extra information for everyone I came to my conclusion through comparing the ANDA grading and PCGS grading
http://www.anda.com.au/documents/re...%20coins.pdf
http://www.pcgs.com/grades.html
Anyway I will change the lower grades.
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 Posted 08/20/2013  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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...I think MS65 is GEM, 63-64 is CHU and 60-62 is UNC due primarily that they can not have any wear while the highest grade aUNC could possibly be would be AU-58 as it is the first grade to allow for any wear whatsoever...

I would love to agree with you, but in my experience this is simply not what the American TPGs do. Maybe everyone with low-MS slabs are simply bad photographers, but too many such coins have what I would classify as very light wear on them. For example (and not wishing to pick on any one dealer here), can someone please explain to me why the dark spots on the high points of this 1915 shilling are not wear? Because they look like wear to me. I wouldn't grade that coin better than aUnc because of them.

It might also be enlightening to read this conversion chart published by CGS-UK which I just found, converting American slab-grades to British grades. Now British graders are even tougher than ours - they've downshifted the American grades by two full grades, but they agree that American "MS" ain't always Unc anymore: British Unc begins at MS-63.
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 Posted 08/20/2013  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add r9453 to your friends list
Hi, In an attempt to figure this out, I took the PCGS grades and Sap's ammendment to the OP and the UK conversion that Sap mentioned and put all three side by side and lined them up as best I could.

My Grade Comparison Chart - I was a bit surprised that the UK system with 100 slots available doubled up on some of the US grades with just 70 slots/rows.

Is this a bit like trying to compare the grades of judges at a diving contest where each one is looking at the same thing from a slightly different perspective?

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 Posted 08/20/2013  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list
PO-1 = Coin? What coin? It's just a washer!

I have utilized this phrase with the word 'slug' instead of washer.

I do have a washer in a 2x2 in my hoard. There are a number of WTHs in my coin/token/currency collection.

Ah, my devil note. You would shudder at the description of evil trying to roil into our realm.

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