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 Posted 11/01/2013  01:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list
That style of photograph (reflecting light into the lens) hides scratches, only extremely severe ones would appear in that photo.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
Take some pic's when this arrives also a couple of scans and post them so we can get a better look at this coin.
Getting anything over MS64 in these is pretty tough.
The number of steps on these coins lets you work out the quality of the strike
I don't usually like these so toned but this one is quite attractive
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 Posted 11/01/2013  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serial to your friends list
sorry not trying to hijack but where would you place this one that I recently got in a bulk lot?


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 Posted 11/01/2013  02:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eric to your friends list
Hi OMF, I viewed the coin. It is a lovely 64 with a good shot at a 65.

Eric
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 Posted 11/01/2013  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
Nice coin serial , MS grade but the little warning bells are going off in my head here.
I can't quite put my finger on why but this looks like it has suffered from repeated dipping.
It may just be how you have photographed the coin and I could be totally wrong, I really hope I am.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serial to your friends list
yeh I am not that good at pics and it is in a 2x2 that tends to reflect a bit. in hand it cartwheels nicely and has good lustre, I was just not sure about the break in the more and there is a big bag mark on one of the sceptres
do you think its worth getting graded?
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 Posted 11/01/2013  03:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
It certainly won't hurt the coin Mate
Probably cost you about $40 to do it, So if you are happy with the costs why not
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 Posted 11/01/2013  05:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list
I knew I forgot someone sorry Eric and thanks for your help with the grading and trout been going on a roll in terms of toned coins lately and when I saw this coin in status' auction I put in a bid and got it for a good price which I was more than happy with
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 Posted 11/01/2013  05:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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I knew I forgot someone sorry Eric and thanks for your help with the grading and trout been going on a roll in terms of toned coins lately and when I saw this coin in status' auction I put in a bid and got it for a good price which I was more than happy with

If Eric has viewed this coin and call is a good 64 with a good chance at being a 65 then you can take that as "Gospel" Mate
No need for extra photo's or scans , The Eigner Brothers are pretty "Spot On" with their grades
Awesome pick up and at a great price
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 Posted 11/01/2013  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Grading-wise, I am pretty stingy, but with the more detailed pics, I would say that you have an MS64 coin.

1 1/2 steps, flagpoles and beard a little indistinct.

With less tone, 2 1/2 steps, sharper flagpoles and beard, it would have made MS66. Condition-wise, I have seen only one better.

I have had the chance to compare a proof and a perfect business strike side by side, at an I.S. Wright auction view day. The step detail on the business strike was better.
The gem perfect business strike must have been one of the first struck from new dies.

At $297, you have done good.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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I have had the chance to compare a proof and a perfect business strike side by side, at an I.S. Wright auction view day. The step detail on the business strike was better.

I have a PP album full of these coins and only about half a dozen 3 steppers in varying grades, SO YES a 3 stepper is not a common find in my personal experience with these coins.
To get a PCGS grade of MS66 or better I would imagine that the 3 steps must be evident on the coin or it wouldn't make the grade due to the quality of the strike.
I May be wrong (The Gods know I have) , But that is my take on the situation
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 Posted 11/03/2013  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list
My MS66 parliament florin doesn't have 3 steps.
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 Posted 11/03/2013  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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My MS66 parliament florin doesn't have 3 steps.

that is interesting Mark.
I would of assumed that the quality of the strike would have been taken into account in grades over MS65.
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 Posted 11/03/2013  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list
Strike is taken into account in all grades but tiny steps represent an extremely minor strike weakness. It will preclude an MS70 grading, probably an MS69, but not an MS66.

Have a read of this article:
http://www.numismatics.com.au/Blog/...nding_Strike

Under the heading of Application in Grading, you can see the minimum strike characteristics of each grade.
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 Posted 11/03/2013  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
Cheers Walter
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