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Beware Of "Scanned" Images Vs Digital Photos !

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 Posted 11/09/2013  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
I would agree. Scans "dilute" detail and hide many imperfections.
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 Posted 11/09/2013  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list
Yeah but how do you know if it's a photoshoped MS 65 or a real one.
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 Posted 11/09/2013  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
Very tough luck on that one. Would those 2 lines on that vicky bust be cuts with knife?.. or just scratches.?

I guess that it's best to work with only trusted sellers or sometimes expect to be caught.
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 Posted 11/09/2013  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add artdio to your friends list
Scott, just curious, even based on the original pic, I can see some distracting marks.. Why did you not ask for better pics.. I took the same image of that scan and just added auto colr from my picasa program and it clearly shows some small issues. I would say the seller did not think anything of it + mabe he does not have a digital camera... and from the pic I am pretty sure I know the seller and have never really had an issue.... I would also go as far as saying in hand those tiny lines are probably near invisible..Maybe I'm wrong... Just hope you didnt pay a fortune... by the way what year is this coin
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 Posted 11/09/2013  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
I'm not sure why in today's online marketplace (specifically ebay) people still try to pass off and/or hide that type of stuff. ebay is currently set up very "pro buyer". If you've paid with Paypal, you have a lot of leverage. I can't remember the last time I wasn't able to resolve an issue with a seller (or a buyer for that matter). Either through Paypal or otherwise. And as long as the item is clearly misrepresented, go for it. However (and I don't do or promote the practice as a seller) I take issue with is buyers who willingly buy coins on bad pictures "hoping" they get a deal of a lifetime and then complain if it doesn't work out (I understand that's not the case with Scott's issue here). Either ask for better pictures or take the risk, benefit from the the rewards or take the loss on the gamble (or return if possible).
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 Posted 11/10/2013  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pfrien to your friends list
Beware indeed. Lighting is usually the easiest and most common thing to manipulate in ebay photos. I usually let things go if the coin is inexpensive. However, this week I got this 50 cent King George and the seller insists that it was not a cleaned coin. He was really rude. All this grief over just a $15 item. Not worth it.

Sellers pic and buyers pic (guess which one is the sellers pic)

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 Posted 11/10/2013  03:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
Yes, I had one that - while the photo looked nice - in hand was whizzed so much that the silver was a mirror. I'm guessing that picture was shot in a dark room with a single candle and a 30s exposure.
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 Posted 11/10/2013  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scotts Canadian Coins to your friends list
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Yes, this is a good example of "buyer beware".

artdio - It is 1874, and doesn't look good in hand - I didn't ask for pics on this one 'cause I just got lazy - and usually I do blow up the pics and examine more closely - but again, ditto.

And I had purchased many times from this seller before with satisfactory results.

Seller is providing full refund incl shipping charges.

de59 - one of the problems with scanning devices is that the internal software programs are getting pretty sophisticated - and even without intent, someone operating these devices can produce images that just aren't realistic.

DEVLEC - I'd say they're more than run of the mill scrathes - if they're not "cuts" then they might be neck arteries about ready to burst LOL

arianzo - it's tough to know - experience helps, but not if you get lazy - best lesson is to buy only from sellers with excellent history and feedback - and NEVER BUY from a listing that states NO RETURNS.

And last but not least to TCH - re:


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However... I take issue with buyers who willingly buy coins on bad pictures "hoping" they get a deal of a lifetime and then complain if it doesn't work out.

Either ask for better pictures or take the risk, benefit from the the rewards or take the loss on the gamble (or return if possible).


As seems to oft occur, we'll have to again agree to disagree on this opinion

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 Posted 11/10/2013  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
Scott...Thanks for the reply ........'tis poppy time indeed..!!
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 Posted 11/10/2013  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Osiris to your friends list
Feedback can sometimes be misleading. Case in point, I bought some coins from a high feedback seller and every coin had been whizzed. He was rude, obnoxious, etc. when I called him on it, and eBay/PayPal backed me up for a full refund. The highest priced coins he sold must have all been returned with ebay's help, because none of them resulted in feedback. On the other hand, there were many lower priced coins, mostly sold I'm guessing to newer collectors like myself, who upon receipt left glowing feedback.

I was mad enough at the deception (given some of the things the seller said after the fact, he knew what he was doing) that I contacted the buyers who left positive feedback and advised they may want to have their coins professionally examined. When I checked his feedback again about a week later, he had made it "private" so the buyers or sellers who left him feedback were anonymous.

So, feedback alone is not necessarily a guide. I would say if the seller with good feedback is also a retailer with a good rep, that's different. And, given the current coin economy, I've found several of those that from time to time are letting go of ICCS coins starting with a $0.01 bid. They typically close for a good price. Those ones I would bid on all day.
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 Posted 11/11/2013  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
You make an interesting point Osiris. As an ebay seller it's interesting to hear different stories and points of view. My question is related to the thread as whole. Other then the obvious bad practice of overselling a bad coin, are good pictures without comment sufficient on their own in listings? Other then a good, clear, un-doctored pictures, what constitutes a fair description of a coin? Should vendors be providing opinions? What if we don't agree on the flaws? As a buyer what do you expect from a coin listing?
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 Posted 11/11/2013  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Osiris to your friends list
Good questions!

I expect photos and descriptions that are representative of the coin. Given current technology, I think that's a fair ask.

If there is an obvious flaw on a high dollar coin, I also think it's fair to expect the seller to point it out. I also deal in a couple of other high priced collectible genres, where this is common practice between collectors (and is often/normally omitted by sellers who rarely deal in those items).

I agree scanners, especially with built in software that "fixes" the image, can be problematic. Scanners normally also can be set to turn off those features, and may still present coins in ways that are unusual because the scanning light itself is so bright.

Grading of coins by the seller I am not keen on. If the information presented is clear and complete, then at that point I think it's buyer beware. There have been some interesting threads here that I've read about differing grading opinions between experienced members, so I think it's best left to the buyer to decide at that point.
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 Posted 11/11/2013  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jello_g to your friends list
Scott, I agree with you with the BEWARE... but I disagree with you about scanned images vs digital photos. Scanners and cameras are BOTH capable of creating false representations of the subject, whether due to inadvertent improper use of either tool by the operator or planned fraud by the unscrupulous seller. ebay is rife with examples of both good and bad images, from both scanners and cameras.

If you come across a questionable image, why not simply ask for another under varying light condition, angle, etc.? For higher priced items, sellers should be able to comply with such a request without question. Unfortunately, there are the less then honest sub-population of sellers who intentionally post inadequate images (whether from scanner or camera), in hopes of duping potential buyers in thinking they've found a gem.
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 Posted 11/22/2013  02:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gilles Rousseau to your friends list

Beware to all of you this scammer guy, I found out the coin that mr scott he was warning of us about, and the guy he is got it list one more time again, and it look like he use the same one of pictures in the listing, and is gonna scam again somebody else, I cant believe this guy he know that picture does not look at all like the coin it does in the hand, but here it is the listing, eh

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-25c-...em51b547818f

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 Posted 11/22/2013  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moosecountry to your friends list
Thanks for the update, I was looking at this coin.
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