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Canadian Silver Dollars - - " Cheaper Now Or In 1961?

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 Posted 12/22/2013  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pfrien to your friends list
I have the 1960 Standard Catalogue by Charlton. Two dates that showed a large deviation from the data presented here, were the 1950 Arnprior (EF worth 7.50 compared to $20) and the 1952 NWL (worth $6 compared to the $9.5). All other silver dollars were about 20% lower in 1960 vs 1961. The 1947 ML and Ptd showed no price difference over the one year. Looks like 1960 was a good time to buy in. Silver was about $0.90 an ounce in 1961.
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 Posted 12/22/2013  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
If you used the top grade like most coins it would show more the real value of appreciation if investment was a goal. I am guessing a 1960 unc 48 dollar was around a 100.00 today a ms 63 3000.00 or a ms 64 6000.00, unc 1935ms 65 today 400.00 and so on, EF or coins below unc. rarely beats inflation.
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 Posted 12/22/2013  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
Another good example, the Heritage Fun Auction Jan 4 will have a PL set of Canada silver dollars each year if they sell for minimum bids or more it would show more accurate values and inflation.
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 Posted 12/22/2013  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Canadian coins as an investment.................not recommended! You do far better with many other investment vehicles. The Canadian coin market is too thinly traded and too easily manipulated. Collect coins for fun and history and if you make a few bucks all the better.
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 Posted 12/22/2013  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nathancrh1 to your friends list
In 1961 couldn't you have gotten many of these coins for face value?
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 Posted 12/22/2013  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list

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.. a PL set of Canada silver dollars each year if they sell for minimum bids or more it would show more accurate values and inflation.

PL dollars were the "money coins" 52 years ago.Comparing their prices for the two eras is truly an apples to oranges exercise.
In 1961 ALL PL dollars sold for more than their MS counterparts. Today a typical post '54 PL65 would sell for only a fraction of the price of it's MS 65 counterpart.
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 Posted 12/22/2013  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add punman to your friends list

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Is this wage inflation or retail price inflation ?

It is the consumer price index - based on a basket of goods.
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 Posted 12/22/2013  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add punman to your friends list
Thanks pfrien for checking out the old catalogue. I'm not sure what my article was using for its source of 1961 prices, although at the end of the chart it said "Canadian Numismatic Publishing Institute
Rupert Avenue â€" Winnipeg, Canada".
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 Posted 12/31/2013  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list
Notice how most of the prices now are around 10x greater than 1961 on the common date dollars. Made the comment to relatives the other day we have literally moved one decimal place now from back then.
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 Posted 07/26/2020  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list
The UK retail price inflation is X 17.87 from 1961 to 2012 (see http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-1900.html).

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 Posted 07/27/2020  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list
Interesting calculation - I love this sort of thing!

As a comparison, my very eccentric great aunt bought some shares of Northern Telegraph when she was a young woman kept the paper documents in her underwear drawer until she was 92 and then sold them for several million dollars. That was about 20 years ago. She, and Nortel Networks - which the company had become over time - have since passed on. That's an extreme example but it illustrates the point that an investment in almost any profit-driven interest (stock or bond) that is able to last through the decades is far more likely to pay off in value than any comparable investment in coins or other objects.

There are exceptions - people who are extremely well-informed and strategic and who play a long term game have surely made a fair bit of $$ in this business. Thinking of the Sandy Campbells of the world.... He made some very smart choices a long time ago and stuck with the formula that came about as a result. I imagine he also worked his arse off and spent a great deal of time travelling about chasing rare pieces of metal. Most of us are not him.
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 Posted 08/17/2020  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RWMW to your friends list

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In 1961 ALL PL dollars sold for more than their MS counterparts. Today a typical post '54 PL65 would sell for only a fraction of the price of it's MS 65 counterpart.
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I thought a coin was greaded PL if it had a high proof like lustre or came from a proof set. That led me to believe that a PL coin was an MS coin with good lustre and maybe a frosted head. Shouldn't a PL coin be worth more? Coins and Canada lists them like that.
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 Posted 08/19/2020  06:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list

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That led me to believe that a PL coin was an MS coin with good lustre and maybe a frosted head.


Although a proof coin may be like an business strike coin with a polished field and maybe a frosted head, they are different. Proof coins are struck specially, often from polished dies, sometimes from different dies to the business strike coins.

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 Posted 08/19/2020  06:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list

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Shouldn't a PL coin be worth more?


For over 40 years, I believed that proof coins were worth more than business strike coins because their condition was always better.

However, although business strike coins might be struck in hundreds of thousands, the number of coins that survive in MS65 state is probably only a handful, whereas most of the proof coins that were struck in their hundreds or thousands survive in PL70 (certainly more than PL65) because they're kept in their packaging and don't circulate.

So the MS coins are rarer, and if they're rarer and the demand is just as great, shouldn't the MS coins command a higher price than proof coins ?
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