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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Just a different angle with the lighting in the photo makes a large difference. The coin was described properly and I think once you remove it from the holder it is yours with no return privilege.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I completely see all the sides that you all present. No offense taken by any comments. That's exactly why I posted this topic. I just find myself with a coin that is not what I want and needed opinions on how to proceed. I contacted the seller and told him I wanted to return the coin and why. His response: Quote:
Seller's message:
"Just send it back, Mark, and I will take a look at the situation. You are correct that once it is yours, you do not have to ask my permission, but now to return it after you have removed it is a little difficult to accept. I want to be able to evaluate the situation, so please return the coin."
My response: Quote:Your message to the seller: "Hi XXXX, first thank you for your response. I'm sure we can find a solution to our dilemma. That being said, I can not simply return the coin (and slab tab) and leave it up to you to determine just compensation. Quite simply, the coin was not what you advertised. It is not what I bought and certainly not what I want for my collection. The coin can easily be re-graded by a TPG and I have offered to reduce my compensation to accommodate that. I am not unreasonable and I am offering a true and equitable solution. You refund my $XXX.XX (minus a generous $30 fee for re-grading, so $XXX.XX) and I will consider this deal done. I await your response. Moe" I'm a bit leery to return the coin since that is my only leverage. Thoughts? And FYI: I have also been on the Seller side of dispute identical to this so I do sympathize. Edited by Moe145
12/22/2013 11:36 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36844 Posts |
I am surprised that he is willing to take it back. Have you delt with him before?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1750 Posts |
I am surprised he is willing to consider a return as well.
Good luck, Moe!
Edited by DoubleEagle20
12/22/2013 1:42 pm
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Moderator
 United States
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I hate to say this, Moe, but....
After your last email exchange I find myself rather less sympathetic to your position. I ran down the auction, and seeing who you're dealing with I'm unsurprised that the seller is offering to work with you. Julian Liedman is a class act.
Further, the actual images accompanying the auction are far larger than the ones presented here. Although the horizontal hairlining isn't shown in them, vertical hairlining is plain on both faces and you're far too good at this not to have known you were buying a brushed coin. Knowing how coin photography and brushed coins work, if I can see any hairlining I immediately assume there's far more that I can't see.
You really, really, should have known better, man.
With that said, I think your counter-offer is a fair one, and the coin has plenty of details which would prove it's the same one sold.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Moe, why did you crack it out? Were you going to put it in an album? Submit it to a different TPG? |
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United States
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Moe isn't one for allowing nice coins to languish in plastic.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You made two mistakes so far that I've seen: 1) buying a slabbed coin that YOU KNEW had problems; and 2) asking the Seller to take it back AFTER you cracked it out of the slab.
I'd be embarrassed to even bother to ask the Seller to compensate me for doing something like that. Imagine what your local dealer would say to you if you tried it on him!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1662 Posts |
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Moe isn't one for allowing nice coins to languish in plastic. Dave, I'm a coin liberator too, but I'd never ask a seller to take back a coin I set free. Edited by ArrowsAndRays
12/22/2013 1:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1750 Posts |
The person I'd like to swat in the head is the one who took a piece of sandpaper to that poor busty.  Edited by DoubleEagle20
12/22/2013 1:46 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Moe,
I'm sorry to hear about your problems with this coin. So many CBHs get a details grade for 'cleaned' and I too have bought some because they looked like an old cleaning or a very light cleaning. I was lucky to be happy with mine, but yours looks bad.
My opinion is that the seller is being very generous in considering a refund considering that the coin is out of the slab. I hope it works out.
Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That is offensive that you offered him a refund minus $30. What about his time, what about his lost revenue, lost ebay fees, lost shipping fees, loss of inventory? I also take exception to your statement that "the coin is not what I ordered". It most certainly is what you ordered. If the dealer gives you the opportunity to return the coin, consider it a huge "gift"... |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree with all being said. I do realize I put myself into this position. A cleaned coin has many variations and I've been fairly lucky in the past, using the seller's pictures to determine the extent of cleaning. (We all know Capped Bust half dollars are very difficult to find uncleaned to at least some degree). I was merely seeking opinions on next moves. I agree with the seller being nice to deal with and appears to be a class act. I also agree, with my allowing a re-grading fee to be deducted from my refund, I'm putting the seller back into the position he was in previously asset-wise, at least IMO. So? Send it back and take the seller up on his offer (to let him determine the refund amount), let ebay decide who does what, or suck it up and chalk this transaction up to experience?  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
759 Posts |
I must say that the seller is being incredibly generous in even considering a return. Further, I don't think the counter-offer is reasonable, except perhaps to you. The seller would be taking on a certain amount of risk posed by the return, he is out cash flow, and there is the time and effort in addition to expense for the regrade. Honestly, under these circumstances, if you come out $1 ahead of the loss you would incur by immediately selling raw, consider yourself lucky. I can somewhat sympathize with your side, but in the end, I would have to side with the seller, up to and including refusal of the return privilege and blocking from future auction participation.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I also agree with all that is being posted about this. Here is the pivot point for me, the coin has excessive hairlines that were not represented in the photos and should have been mentioned in the written description, therefore.
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