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 Posted 03/01/2014  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
That's almost 20% underweight for clad and 25% for silver. As such, not a chance it's real unless it's a wrong-planchet strike; I'll look into the potential differing planchets from that period but no optimism is expressed. How does it compare in terms of diameter and thickness to a "real" Kennedy?
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 Posted 03/01/2014  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arby96 to your friends list
The issue is it only weighs 9.5 grams, I don't think its real, possible stamped on another plachet? Acetone did nothing. What other plachet weighs 9.5 grams anyone know? Hey thanks for the input. Its a mystery to me. Would be cool if its a Kennedy on some other plachet.
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 Posted 03/01/2014  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASLAN TVorlon to your friends list
what is the thickness?

I had heard of half plachet's being cut out of metal stock meant for quarters.
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 Posted 03/01/2014  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arby96 to your friends list
So I took some measurements, it appears the diameter is about the same maybe a half of a half mm, The thickness is at least a half mm smaller. Please review the pictures and feel free to weigh in. As I stated before I have never ran across one of these. Why would anyone waist their time counterfeiting half dollars, maybe it was an experiment. For now I will just keep it with my plated Kennedy collection. Thanks CC Family.


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This should give everyone a good look at the measurements. Thanks again everyone.
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 Posted 03/01/2014  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Odd, this. I'd think the reduced diameter - had it actually been struck at the Mint - would manifest itself in incomplete reeding. How does the reeding look to you, arby96?

The only decent potential wrong planchet candidate I could come up with was the 1972 (dated) Haiti 50 Centimes, at a weight of 10g. That's a Cu-Ni alloy, though, and not clad. This one has more the look of a clad, impaired Proof.

I'm beyond my expertise here, and unwilling to offer anything based upon personal certainty. My gut feeling is this one's a counterfeit - contrary to belief, the smart counterfeiters create cheap coins that nobody questions. Given the acceptance of US currency worldwide, it could be this one was never intended to see America's shores, but simply to be used as "real American" coinage overseas. For that, it doesn't have to be perfect, just believable.
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 Posted 03/01/2014  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list
What does it sound like when you drop it?

What is the obverse / reverse orientation?

I am still going with it's a Magicians coin (even though I don't see the tell tale seam on the reverse rim).
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 Posted 03/01/2014  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arby96 to your friends list
It sounds very much like a regular coin a little higher pitch. I am an amateur magician and have multiple coins tricks and have never come across anything like this. I have a half magicians ring and attempted to open it. It does not sound hallow it is solid. Here is the pic I took of the rim. If nothing else it is interesting. Also the there is no rotation on the reverse, it is the same as a regular half.


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I added a second photo? Brass or Copper? That is my question, one can see some greenish corrosion?
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 Posted 03/01/2014  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list
Definitely looks plated based on the edge reeding as well as thinner than normal.

Does the edge reeding spacing match up to a normal 1971 half if you stack them on top if each other?

If not then it may have been sawed in half and the reeding recut to hide the seam.
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 Posted 03/02/2014  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arby96 to your friends list
I just compared the reeding to another 71 and they match up well. There is no evidence of the coin being sawed in half. When I make my next order for graded coins I will just include this one. I would be very surprised it comes back as a Genuine coin. Thank you to all whom have replied. If anyone else has any ideas please feel free to weigh in. Thanks again.
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 Posted 03/02/2014  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list
I think it is genuine and if you want to fork over the cash to a TPG it will simply come back "Altered Surface"

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 Posted 05/18/2014  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list
I would like to hear the results on this one. I roll hunt also and have never seen anything like it. When I can not explain it, I keep it.
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 Posted 05/19/2014  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
A half dollar struck on quarter thickness stock comes in at around 9 grams. There is someone on one of the boards I frequent who has turned up at least three of them so far roll searching (he has had at least one certified as on quarter stock) They have all been 1971 half dollars. Looks like some one decided to mess up a half dollar by plating it and happened to select an actual mint error to do it on.
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 Posted 05/25/2014  01:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arby96 to your friends list
This one has me stumped? Its a keeper for now.
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I'm thinking it may be struck on a quarter stock. The thickness of a clad quarter is just under 2mm (6/64 in) while a half is just over 2mm (4/64 in).
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You may find this link interesting. It says that the error is most frequently found in the 1971 D issue. The example pictured is 8.8 grams, within the threshold of yours.

Edit: it may be helpful to include the link.

http://numismaster.com/ta/numis/Art...ticleId=6003
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