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Valued Member
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I believe the scratches are where they clean the die at the mint.thats why they are not on the devices.
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Rest in Peace
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I agree with larrytw, those are brush marks from die being cleaned. I think it's pretty clear to see around the T in cent. The scratch lines seem to go right under the T in a straight line.
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Thank you guys ! How does this effect the grade ? It was imprinted this way with the die so the marks should be overlooked when grading ?
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Rest in Peace
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My opinion is that it would affect the grade a lot. Coins that get a 70 are perfect -- or as near to perfect as is possible. Marks that happen due to the minting process are not overlooked.
I can't judge your coin without seeing the obverse but the best it could get, in my opinion, is MS60. It has good color and it is nice coin but it doesn't have the same eye-appeal that a higher graded coin would have.
Anyway, I hope you are happy with your coin. It's old and it's still red so that in itself is something.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Those are technically called "die polish lines". If you look closely, you'll see the lines are raised. It's common on Lincolns and happens when mint workers polish the working dies. Also, notice the lines are only in the fields since they never polish the recessed areas of the die.
They generally have NO EFFECT on the grade.
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Bedrock of the Community
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The scratch lines seem to go right under the T in a straight line.
Good observation. Makes it logical that the lines are not from cleaning the coin. Might be why the TPGS either didn't care of didn't notice. Typical item that could drop the grading a bit. |
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Here's an example. Look up 1973 d ms67 red Lincoln on heritage. You will see 2 sold 2 months apart. The anacs graded coin sold for $30 the pcgs coin sold for$3,800..now that's anacs been around 40 years or so. What wold an NNC sell for $5.00.
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03/26/2014 10:29 am
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Pillar of the Community
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I do not think NNC is considered a top tier TPG. I think images of both sides of the coin would help confirm or dispute the MS67+ grade as well as answer the cleaning question. |
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BadThad--Help me out, please. When I look at the descriptions that go along with the grades on the Sheldon scale, I see 'no hairlines' and 'no scratches', etc. So,  -- excuse my ignorance, but what are 'hairlines' if they are not die polish lines?  Jeepers, just when I think I know something...it's back to school.
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Valued Member
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If the lines are raised it is die polishing, if they are incused then it was done post mint.
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Polish lines are part of the minting process.
Hairlines and scratches are post mint damage. They can come from mint bags, circulation, cleaning, etc.
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Thanks. It makes perfect sense ...now.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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We all go through this  Not all lines are bad; knowing there is a difference and how to tell makes all the difference in the world. |
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Not all lines are bad; knowing there is a difference and how to tell makes all the difference in the world. And it's with that in mind that I express doubt these lines came as a result of die polishing. They're too irregular - too curved and differently-spaced - to seem likely for die polishing. Further, the Mint normally applied this process in directions either vertical or horizontal to the orientation of the die, not so often at angles. Also, there are a sufficient number of marks on the raised portions of letters, generally oriented in the same direction, to help convince me that whatever caused these lines is post-Mint. Look carefully at how the light plays on this image, and you'll understand that the lines we see here are not nearly all of the lines on the coin. This is, of course, no 67. Neither NGC nor PCGS have slabbed a 1928-D at that high a grade - 66 is Top Pop. With the mention of "NNC," I won't necessarily assume it's even Mint State and if it is, 65 is a stretch. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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You might be correct Dave, it's hard to tell from the given image. However, we can only use what we're given and to me the lines seem to be on any of the devices. As far as the direction of the lines, they can be all over the place on Lincolns. They don't necessary follow any pattern. I've seen many that appear to be PMD at first glance, but closer inspection revealed they are not. Edited by BadThad
03/28/2014 08:49 am
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