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The 8th edition of Charlton's Canadian Colonial Tokens has a photo of
the 1825 on page 157 (LC-60A1). Howbeit a small photo, the beaded rim,
the harp strings, the date nearer the rim, and the thinner bust can be
readily identified.
The same stock photo was also used on
Page 139 of the 2nd Edition,
Page 152 of the 3rd Edition,
Page 152 of the 4th Edition,
Page 152 of the 5th Edition,
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doug
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I just bought a copy of the Haxby book, so I'd have a more inclusive and recent reference on Canadian tokens. The token books stateside, Rulau's, made it a point to cite within whose collections, rare tokens resided. Not so in Canada, eh?
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I received some info from an outside source on my questions. An 1825 B&H token realized $4,800, in the 1989 Hoare auction. Here's a lot description:  It's interesting to me that there is but one appearance of the 1825 in a generation, now. The same appears true for the 1820/5. Edited by ExoGuy
04/04/2014 4:41 pm
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Here's an altered date 1825 on ebay that I feel could be beneficial if anybody is still interested:   |
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Sitting at $119.55 USD right now...
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Genuine ones have sold for around $5,000 in recent years. Down the line, I expect that more than one collector will regret buying this piece. IMHO, it should be relegated to the "black cabinet."
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...and sold for $390. If it's real someone just got a sweet deal...
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Definitely an altered date in my opinion.
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If it's real someone just got a sweet deal... It obviously lacks the telltale die markers, explained earlier in this thread. Then too, if it was real, the price would have skyrocketed. A second, genuine piece just recently sold for thousands in a Nova Scotia auction. Sadly, this altered date piece, crude as it appears, will likely be resold to future collectors who fail to do their homework. |
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It is a genuine forgery.
I suspected it would generate some interest as a contemporary forgery.
Amongst collectors, some forgeries are rare and command some value.
I bid $150.00 on it solely to use as an educational piece.
doug
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Hi Doug ... I once did something similar, intentionally buying a counterfeit 1916-D dime for $50, solely for educational purposes. I used it periodically to test and inform coin club members so that they'd exercise caution when buying key coins.
Not wanting to sound overly contentious, mind you ... What is a "genuine forgery" as you say .... A "genuine forgery" as opposed to what?
You also wrote that this is a "contemporary forgery." I'm at a loss to explain when this piece was forged. I'd guess 1890 or later. This coin appears to me to have incurred decades of circulation wear, prior to the date being altered. By using the term contemporary, are you of the opinion that this forgery was performed in the 1820-30's? I don't envision that possibility with this piece; and, not simply because of the wear but also because during that time, the 1825 dates were not legal issue. Your thoughts, Doug?
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This is a genuine token of which the date was maliciously altered
in contrast to a counterfeit of the entire coin / token. The actual
coin / token is genuine. The deliberate alteration of the date of
the coin / token is a forgery.
'Contemporary forgery,'(I do not know who first monikered this term),
refers to forgeries that were made a long time ago (contemporaneous
with the era of the original coin / token). This is contrasted modern
day forgeries.
Sorry about the confusion.
doug
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And it's back, again, with a new, much higher price. This fake was purchased as sucker bait, it seems ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Interesting...keTrack=trueBUT ... if one clicks on additional information, THEN it's described as a contemporary forgery. Contemporary to when ... 1830's, 1840's ... 1890's or early twentieth century? Edited by ExoGuy
07/02/2015 1:02 pm
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At least the narrative is honest.
I passed on the initial auction at
$150.00 and I will not entertain
bidding on this auction.
doug
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