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APCGS Slabbed Fake Coin.

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 Posted 04/13/2014  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
Yes I see now, the 3 starts at the right hand side of the denticle instead of the left on a genuine coin.
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 Posted 07/14/2014  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agent86 to your friends list

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It had me stumped for a while too because the accurate shape of the 2 made me assume it was from the 20s but it's actually form a 1933 die with the 3rd digit changed to a 2. Compare the final digit with the final digit of a 1933, it's a perfect match.


From what I have heard, the most common date alteration is to change the first 3 on a 1933 to a 2. This results in a coin where the 3 is in the wrong place and the reverse lettering has an indented base.
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 Posted 07/14/2014  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list

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From what I have heard, the most common date alteration is to change the first 3 on a 1933 to a 2.


Everything has been tried,some more sucessful than others,since the rise of the Internet the Info. is out there so no excuse for lazy slabbers or pro graders.
For the hobby collector on the Internet its best not to touch(IMO) 23 halves,there are just too many heavily disguised fakes out there.
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 Posted 07/21/2014  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list
Is this the same Coin?,if so its back on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1923-HAL...6effd&_uhb=1

For some reason link won't work.

Item No. 141352693757
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07/21/2014 12:58 am
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 Posted 07/21/2014  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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Is this the same Coin?,if so its back on ebay.


Not sure about being the same coin but it IS the same seller.
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 Posted 07/21/2014  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list
I think it may be a different coin. The pics are gone from the first one, although the slab apparently said F-12 (from the item description). This one says VG-8.
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 Posted 07/21/2014  02:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
No it is not the same coin,at least IMO this one is genuine.
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 Posted 07/21/2014  03:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list
That last '23 has some serious issues that would bodybag it at the big 3.
Even if genuine and even if it was in a big 3 slab it isn't worth $895 unless it was say F15 or VF 20. There is a glut of genuine coins in lower grades so buy a better one for that kind of money.
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 Posted 07/21/2014  03:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
I agree with that 100%, it is a troublesome looking coin & you could get a far better raw coin for that sort of money ?
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 Posted 07/21/2014  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list

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No it is not the same coin,at least IMO this one is genuine.


OK,to me the 3 sits a fraction too low but I'm paranoid with 23 halves.
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 Posted 07/23/2014  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agent86 to your friends list

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That last '23 has some serious issues that would bodybag it at the big 3.
Even if genuine and even if it was in a big 3 slab it isn't worth $895 unless it was say F15 or VF 20. There is a glut of genuine coins in lower grades so buy a better one for that kind of money.


I agree it is a problem coin. The surfaces, particularly on the obverse, appear porous.
It does appear to be a genuine example.


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OK,to me the 3 sits a fraction too low but I'm paranoid with 23 halves.


The date does look misaligned but that is normal for a 1923 halfpenny.
I'm not sure if paranoid is the correct term as the sellers of fake 1923 halfpennies ARE out to get you.
A little scepticism is healthy.

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 Posted 07/23/2014  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevo1962 to your friends list
Even if it was genuine the slab grading is way out for the sheldon system as it
should be VF30 or better that is if it isn't cleaned
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 Posted 07/24/2014  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list
Stevo, maybe they downgraded it to allow for the lumps and bad surfaces. It is a 6 pearler but personally I'd rather a problem free 4 pearler.
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 Posted 07/24/2014  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevo1962 to your friends list

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Stevo, maybe they downgraded it to allow for the lumps and bad surfaces. It is a 6 pearler but personally I'd rather a problem free 4 pearler.


Maybe it should have been bodybagged or don't they do that?
Maybe I could get a washer or a bottle cap slabbed
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07/24/2014 12:48 am
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