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2000 Lincoln Memorial Cent - Double Struck? Broadstruck? Wide AM?

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 Posted 07/29/2007  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
I don't know about the double strike, but this looks like the Wide AM variety that is listed in the Red Book for the years 1992, 1998, 1999, and 2000. Since your file names include "00", I'm guessing this is a 2000-P, Wide AM cent.
I presume that an ordinary broadstruck Zincoln is common, a broadstruck Wide AM would be scarce, and a broadstrike, Wide AM, with a confirmed double strike would be rare and valuable?
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 Posted 07/29/2007  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list
Jaobler, bingo you win a cookie. good job. yes it is important to know if this is a rare error or a super rare error.

you know your coins.

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 Posted 07/29/2007  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
I see simple Mechanical Doubling and what maybe ejection doubling,, I tend to agree with Gary that the coin is not double struck but has a ghosting of some details from being struck out of the collar ,,the ghosting I believe is caused from die slippage and the spreading metal from being un contained in the collar to the point where it finally settled and struck the details .


The coin appears to be as Jaobler said Wide AM 2000 .

One slight correction though the 92 Lincoln is not a Wide AM but is the opposite and is the Close AM variety .

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 Posted 07/29/2007  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list
While I do NOT have the experience that most of you have, I do have to go along with Gary, and Metleman, in that I don't think it is doubled. I do think it has MD, and appears to have been a "hair" out of the collar at some time, due to the direction of the surface metal MOVEMENT, not flow. This due to the construction of the 'varmit".It is too bad that a nice find like that has to be "mutilated, as well. But, again Broadstruck, "wide A-M" does make for a very interesting coin.
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 Posted 08/03/2007  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list
Hi,
The coin is not double struck.

When a broadstrike occurs on a plated cent (post 1982) The strike keeps the lettering within the recesses of the die. That gives you the "normal" letters (although they get slightly damaged)

What appears to be doubling or a second strike is actually the result of breaks in the plating.

The areas above the letters show the zinc beneath the copper plating as the force of the strike stretches the outer portion of the coin.

There is not enough copper on the surface to stretch to the size of the broadstrike so it breaks on the surface of the coin.

Tough to describe but that's about it.

No double strike, just zinc showing under the copper where the breaks occurred due to the stretching of the metal beneath the copper plating.

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 Posted 08/03/2007  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list
Ok, I am 95 percent sure that I was wrong on this. I Talked with F W on this and he concurred with you guys although he did say he could not say "for sure'"

BTW this coin is Certified by ANACS as a 2000 Broadsruck Type II Reverse so I was going against the wind the whole time.

I did learn something so that's a good thing.

Cool, thanks all for the info, errror
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 Posted 08/03/2007  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 300 coin guy to your friends list
Your coin is what they call BROAD STRUCK coin, that is what you have and they carry a great premium....nice coin

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 Posted 08/03/2007  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list
LOL I want to know where I can sell them at a "great premium" I have a few hundred to sale
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 Posted 08/03/2007  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list
Gary, this type II, especial this large broadstrike would carry a very nice premium, one very rare coin.

This is the only BS type II that I have seen. I have seen numerous type off centers however.


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 Posted 08/03/2007  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list
i understand the premium on the type II but it also is not a great premium I think you can pick up a 2000 for maybe 6-10 bucks I don't call that great. I'm not trying to minimize your coin at all and also not trying to pick on anyone so Patrick don't take it wrong that was not meant to be a harmful statement!.
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 Posted 08/03/2007  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list
Gary, It's not the fact that it is a type II or a Broadstrike, it is a fact that it is both, a double error and being this large of a broadstrike it is indeed quite rare.

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 Posted 08/04/2007  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
I don't delete any of my posts. That's done automatically by the pruner in the software...if at all.

I do not believe this coin to be double struck, because what we are seeing is a simple case of the very thin outer copper shell of the coin splitting at the instant the die puts pressure on the coin. If there is not a retaining collar, the metal will ooze outward. What we are seeing is the effect of the metal oozing outward after the plating splits.
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 Posted 08/05/2007  02:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list
Now you guys have me all confused! I have a few with that type of surface metal configuration, but I was not aware it was, Is, a broadstrike. I figured it was just clad metal displacement due to the planchet not being completely seated in the chamber, and subsecuently, the strike caused the "gathering of the metal to be pulled in the direction of the anvil die, ie, in the opposite direction of the planchet being seated. This is not a good explanation of what I'm trying to say! See foundinrolls comment, above I just toss them in with the junk coins that are too damaged, with "whatever" to go nto the rolls with other coins, I'm saving.
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 Posted 08/05/2007  03:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
Split copper plating and a broadstruck coin are two different things, Dick. Split copper plating happens frequently and isn't to be mistaken for an error. A broadstruck coin is a coin struck out of collar, and will always be larger in diameter than a normal coin. That's an error. Although split plating can happen on a broadstruck coin, it doesn't always happen, and the two are for the most part unrelated. Broadstrikes without split plating can happen just as well as split plating on normal collar-struck coins.
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 Posted 08/05/2007  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list
Just to add a little more to the mix....the coin initially being discussed is both an error and a variety. It is not actually as mentioned in a post, "a double error".

The Broadstrike aspect of the coin is the error in the striking process.

The Type II designation is the variety aspect of the coin.

I just wanted to add that to the mix as it is a more accurate way of describing the coin.

Have Fun,
Bill
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