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A lot depends on what counts as a separate country agreed, in the beginning I was using numista.com as my guide but they started arbitrarily changing what counted and what didn't for a country. now I add (based loosely on numista or charlton) what I feel represents a nation. major political changes often mean a new "country". ie, german empire, Wiemar republic, 3rd reich, east/west germany - all counts as as its own countries but only one state from the many german states counts - (not all of them just to fluff numbers) there is always going to be some grey area, some might consider Russia, Soviet Union, and now modern Russia as 3 separate "coin issuing entities" while others would count it as one (similar to germany). I am considering adding one to Japan as I feel there is a huge difference bewteen Feudal Japan & modern Japan (post WWII). again, to each their own, there is no hard list (would be easier if there was!) |
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Australia
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Wade - you have some beautiful (metaphorically) coins.
I too keep an eye out for "countries that used to be", but also "countries that never quite made it" - such as KJ2 "Gun Money" from Ireland.
You have a Spanish coin of Fred VII above - but in 1811, the French partially occupied part of Spain. Mints in the loyal areas continued to mint coins featuring Ferd VII; but mints in occupied areas issued coins showing King Joseph-Napoleon BONAPARTE. I have one of each - with the same date, of course.
I also have an interest in coinage from Internment and PoW Camps, but that is very expensive (I think collectors of military ephemera compete with numismatists and force the price up).
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Canada
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#297 Ragusa #298 French India #299 Mughal Empire
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Australia
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I have my own sort of OFEC*,
but that really does not matter.
Very interesting stuff in this thread nevertheless.
*One From Every Century
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Hi 'Wade', first let me say
you have a very nice collection, congratulation on that
and this is a nice thread
But let me make some comments, especially to your last two posts on page three
Nothing obscure about Sarawak, the Ionian Islands or the City of Danzig/Gdansk
If you want obscure, there is eg the Kingdom of Kashgaria (hope you have one of those coins)
or the many state coinages during the Mexican Revolution to name just some.
When considering Germany, yes there is a separation between the (Second) German Empire and the Weimar Republic but in many regards the Third Reich is a continuation of the Weimar Republic and the Federal Republic is a continuation of the Third Reich (having assumed legal responsibility) etc
As for the German States, it is not fluffing numbers, they were totally separate entities both under the Holy Roman Empire and then in the German Empire. If you do not consider them separate states you have to forget all the British colonial coinage including the above listed Ionian Islands coin. Likewise you have the Swiss Cantons, while less independent than the German states they were still more independent than the current states within the USA. So you can with good conscience increase your numbers going there.
But what is it with Lundy Island? If you have one of those and count it, you better get one from the Principality of Hutt River as well.
If you go into ancients (saw you posted a Byzantine), you can boost your numbers by many - counting all the Greek, German State etc coins I have, I am just a little ahead of you at this time.
Finally what is your comment on colonial time issues in the area of the USA? Does a New Jersey Penny count for a separate entity?
But whatever - good luck to your endeavor and I hope to see some really obscure coins making it into your collection.
Edited by Medieval
10/06/2014 01:33 am
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Canada
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I'm glad people are enjoying the thread, for me the collection has been very rewarding, not just in growing the collection but learning world history & also photography. Ionian, Sarawack, Danzig... while not "obscure" they certainly aren't everyday mainstream, maybe poor choice of words on my part. as for OFEC "criteria"... I have no hard and fast rules. I only wanted one German state (even though each may be considered its own "coin issuing entity") - just one to represent the region and not several pages full (I may expand on this area in the future but then would I have to include every US state?). same can be said for Italian, Austrian, Hungarian states etc. I suppose one could also call into question some of the African issues as well - seems some of those "countries" change names every other year! again the same for Canada, ie provincial issues: I choose to enter one, instead of one from each province. the Germany's (post 1900) I agree on somewhat but I do allow for major political shifts, which is why I added an ancient Japanese to my existing modern (post WWII) Japan and that as 3 separate issues. the country name might be the same but they are totally different "nations". I cant see myself getting into more diverse ancients any time soon (even though I love the coins), I am too nervous of fakes and have too much on the go to take the time to educate myself in this field. cant comment on the colonial USA, I just don't know enough about the history or coinage. same could be said for Hutt. Lundy however MUST be included simply because the denomination is in PUFFINS !  in the end it all comes down to personal tastes, I will keep adding to the collection and I imagine it will morph into a OFEEFEC (try saying that 10 times fast!) = "one from each ERA from each country" rather than just an "OFEC". edit- PS: Sel, still waiting to see your "OFEC" (or if you've posted it before then a link please!) Edited by Wade
10/06/2014 2:43 pm
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'Wade' when you mention the Italian states, they were certainly different states prior to the unification of Italy and similar things can be said about other areas. I only mentioned the German states as one example, but what can one compare them to? The best comparison with modern political structures would be: during the period of the Holy Roman Empire (which as Voltaire rightfully said was neither holy, nor roman or an empire) is was like the current British commonwealth, the emperor was just a figurehead, ie if you discount the German states then you better discount Canada as well. And for the German Empire period the current structure of the European Union would be the best comparison, the first time Germany was really united after the Frankish Empire fell to pieces was with the Weimar Republic. While I appreciate your effort to avoid having to count too many countries you are not fully consistent - why do you have a coin from the Austrian Netherlands when there is Belgium? The Austrian possessions could be compared partly to the British colonies and partly to the United Kingdom - but going into detail would result into a long historical dissertation. As said before, enjoy whatever you consider to be worthwhile separate entities. Btw, re Canada I consider the New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Edward Islands coinage to be from/for separate entities. Finally you have that nice Ionian Islands coin from the period of British rule and also one coin from Crete (if I remember right) there are also coins issued specifically for those under Venetian rule, would you count them? (If I can dig them up easily I might post them as temptation for you). Postscript: Just seeing the Mughal Empire coin again, we could aslo have a nice argument about what would be right to include from the many Indian Princely States  PPS: Hope I can tease you to target for the big 1,000  Edited by Medieval
10/06/2014 6:06 pm
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Canada
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I fully agree my consistency is all over the map (no pun intended), when I learn more about a particular country and it's history my considerations might change. it would be a lot easier to stick to one century I suppose, but what's the fun in that! Quote:
PPS: Hope I can tease you to target for the big 1,000  never going to happen ! |
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Next challenge: Get the set in silver
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never going to happen ! What was that saying again? ... "ne me dites jamais" and for the Ionian Islands coin I was talking about (and some more), have a look at https://goccf.com/t/187993#1734249 |
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its a brilliant idea, I have thought about doing something similar in the future, be a long long term goal but a fun one, you have done very well.Im pretty sure New Zealand was always New Zealand. We got our first coins in 1933, before that we used British and Australian coins. We did have a number of tokens but I believe these all said "New Zealand" too, I don't think it was ever known by another name apart from its native name "Aotearoa" but it means one and the same.
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Canada
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#300Menorca Spain (civil war municipality) 1937 I was going to try for gold as my 300th but I wasn't impressed with any of the coins that fit the budget. 
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Very nice coin 'Wade'. See you are softening up with your country definitions.  Go go go, take local coinages from the various civil wars add local coinage from France, Italy, Germany, etc and you will hit 400 before Christmas. |
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Canada
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Go go go, take local coinages from the various civil wars add local coinage from France, Italy, Germany, etc and you will hit 400 before Christmas I have ONE german notgeld, ONE french city, ONE italian state. if I relax and add more of each category I could well surpass 400! going to take a bit of a break but will work on some upgrades while adding to my canadian colonial token collection. |
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I could well surpass 400! Venture more into older coins and the previously mentioned 1000 is not out of reach! Hope to see you posting more in the 'ancient/medieval' forum, there is so much scope for you to go rampant. If you want to go for a gold coin for your number 400, here is a not so expensive one:   Fanam (~1240-1310) Kadambas of Hangal (Tiny coin, ~6mm/~1/4" diameter - similar ones were issued by several (!) medieval states) |
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