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Ok... now I'm not first lol. I was debating whether or not it was cleaned too but I've also seen alot of that variable direction flowing on plenty of gem graded washingtons from this era... On this one, it seems to stay in the fields so maybe it's original? I'm starting to lean that way. But then again, there looks like hairlines on the eagle now. I don't find the coin attractive myself and can't comment on the lamination aspect other than that it usually doesn't command a premium. I'll call it a dog for the grade in 63 or 62...maybe cleaned.
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Boxer's cut on the eye, a hit on the eagles leg. That's about it for hits.
I didn't shoot fresh pics tonight, but I know there is detail that I am missing.
Maybe tomorrow night.
Maybe I speed up the shutter enough to capture the portrait without overexposing it, and we already have the fields and rims. Sort of a composite.
Thanks guys for the replies!
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Dang Jesse, don't hold back! I am becoming more of a fan of the early toned coins. This one is not spectacular in my eyes, but I do like it. Let's say I don't dislike it. Anyway, shot some pics @ 125 shutter. Straight out of the camera, no lighting retouched. Quite dark, but shows the portrait a bit better. Starting to show marks that I can't see with 10-X . . . . I gotta go to work in a couple hours . . . . . this stuff is keeping me up at night.   |
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Jon, you had me laughing. I know I come off as a son of gun. I know you have a thick skin like this coin though!
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Well, it is off to see the wizard. Should have a grade in a few weeks. I am expecting a no problem "63". If it does pull a "64" then it is happy dance time. I think I have a shot, depending on how the wife treated the grader over the weekend. I actually fumbled it whilst getting it into the flip and it landed on the soft desktop but took off running toward my steel painted camera stand. Climbed right up on it, the only hard surface within twenty feet. Bumped into the pedestal that I put the coins on for photography and then did that "roll around and fall over spinning and spinning and making horrible silver noises for what seemed like 20 minutes thing."  I can't believe I actually did that . . . . . didn't hurt it too bad, but did put a tiny bit of extra "insult" to the ear. I suppose as it spinned (spun?) on down to flat on the hard metal. Now the metal right where that carbon spot is (or whatever that black spot is) is missing a bit of tone. It will probably get a no grade . . . . for "spinning". I am sure they have a code for that. Not a good feeling . . . . gotta remember to put a towel or something on the desk next time. I had my gloves on, and makes me wonder if I would have fumbled it if I had not had them on. I promise I will post the results. Thanks to all that played along . . . . well thanks to everyone except Jesse. Jesse doesn't get a Christmas card this year! Just kidding Jesse!  Edited by Jon K
06/16/2014 6:13 pm
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 I'm rootin' for anyone who has a sense of humor like that! Good luck with the submission. |
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I see a long, thin vertical scratch behind the portrait plus small hits on the eagle's legs. There is a shallow groove down Washington's neck that might also indicate some post-mint impact. Color looks original, luster seems strong. Lamination seems like the most likely explanation for the odd reverse feature.
I would be comfortable with an "MS-63, reverse lamination" grade and MS-64 might be possible. Overall, an attractive MS example of this scarcer date.
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Well, only took two months but I finally got it back. MS63 just like most of us expected. Myself included, though I was hoping for a 64. You know what they say, hope in one hand . . . No "Details-Spinning" thank goodness. I do like it better than my bright white 63 that I currently have, so I am going to swap them out. Well, no home runs this time, but sure is fun!! Thanks to everyone who played along! Jon  Edited by Jon K
08/09/2014 12:48 am
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Congratulations.  To be honest, I thought it would come back details. Shows what I know about grading. I'm Very Glad it Didn't!!!!  |
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Congratulations.
To be honest, I thought it would come back details. Shows what I know about grading.
I'm Very Glad it Didn't!! I never worried much about a no grade on this one. With all of that tone and a bit of color, it all looked right to me . . . Dar, can you express what it was that had you thinking "no grade"? |
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Like I said in my original Reply, I really don't know anything about Quarter Dollars, to tell the truth, I really don't know much at all. I 'thought' it was just a PMD Quarter with a bunch of scratches and it looked as if someone had wiped and cleaned it to me. I have bought several books and am trying to expand my understanding, but it seems I have ALONG way to go. Makes me think I have "tossed back' ALOT of coins that I thought wouldn't bring anything.   I'm really glad it worked out for you and It has helped me learn just a bit more as well. I'm hoping I will get better with time and I think I will "hoard" more until I can tell the difference myself as well. just to be safe.  |
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Dar, once we got the camera stopped down to 5.5 and underexposed the shot, then you start to see things that are miniscule. It is really not fair to the coin to put it under what is basically a microscope. Once we start using a microscope, we have to learn stuff like how to discern between die polish lines and scratches. Once I got the photo stopped right, the die polish lines in the field jump out. But die polish lines are raised rather than recessed as a scratch would be. Worrisome to me was the very high points of the portrait look to have been abraded. Rubbed maybe. That was the only concern I had with this one. But again, CSI style photos are not fair to the coin. A small mark like that boxers cut to the brow will SCREAM at the camera. Not so in hand. In hand, under halogen light and 10X eyewear you can see that cut, but just barely. The second set of shots probably give a better sense of the actual coin. Keep them small for an idea of what this thing actually looks like. Indeed, though not universally loved, this coin in hand is very nice. It turned out to be a 63 after all, so no high expectations.  I am far from even being remotely good at grading, but what I do know, I have learned right here on this forum. When I first came here I didn't know that there WAS such a thing as die polish lines. Flow lines. Focal area. Counting Machine Damage. Never heard of any of that. Al Gore is The Man for inventing this internet. When I started collecting in . . . . hmmmm . . . . 1965 or so, my house did not have a telephone. I think it was 1967 before we got a phone. Ah, I am rambling, but the point is that all of this information is just . . . . . right there. . . . . like magic. It is mind boggling. Edited by Jon K
08/16/2014 07:32 am
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Oh, I did want to add . . . . . I have bought and digested bunches of books, and the information is very valuable. I do not want to discount that in the least. But there is mucho value in looking at about a million coins. There is no real substitute for that. Edited by Jon K
08/16/2014 07:33 am
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I've been anxious to hear the results on this one Jon. Glad it came back problem free w/ a respectable 63. Now don't get any crazy ideas of resubmitting it lol. I agree, all of us sometimes forget we're looking at highly magnified photos. The average 65 has no distracting marks WITHOUT magnification and a few with magnification. Photos can be very misrepresenting. Thanks for this wonderful thread.
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I was watching this thread too even though I never responded with a grade...afraid I'd put my foot in my mouth as I have rarely graded Washington quarters. Glad that your submission went well. -MV |
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