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A Clearly Marked Copy 1842-CC Seated Liberty Dollar

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 Posted 07/28/2014  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add santafeboy to your friends list
CC is the correct mint mark ( Chinese Counterfeit )
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 Posted 07/29/2014  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
When I click the link in the OP it takes me to the auction that lists the coin, has the sold banner across the corner of the coin and shows a winning bid of $172.50

I'd say the auction went to completion and someone either doesn't plan on paying, or is going to be very unhappy someday.
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 Posted 07/29/2014  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperCastle to your friends list

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CC is the correct mint mark ( Chinese Counterfeit )
I got a nice chuckle from that one. Thanks!
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 Posted 07/29/2014  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
I'm still waiting for a 2014-CC Dollar on ebay.

Bidding should be fierce for that one.
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 Posted 07/29/2014  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
the fact that the coin isn't marked as "copy" makes the sale illegal, right?
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 Posted 07/29/2014  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list

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I'm still waiting for a 2014-CC Dollar on ebay.
Bidding should be fierce for that one.


Great idea Dave - I'm just about to sell mine. CC means Calvin Coolidge - right?

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 Posted 07/29/2014  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
Since Carson City wasn't founded until 1858, this is probably an uber rare double struck Charlotte dollar.

So rare that until now none was known to exist.

I'll bet there's more than one.
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 Posted 07/29/2014  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list

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Since Carson City wasn't founded until 1858, this is probably an uber rare double struck Charlotte dollar.


The Carson City Mint was created in 1863 but wasn't put into operation until 1870.

The seller stated it was a copy, but the item doesn't appear to have a COPY stamp. It does appear that the sale was completed, but the buyer can probably negate the sale as the item lacked the COPY stamp. The seller didn't note the CC "mintmark" and just mentions the date.

Perhaps, knowing that this sale was getting crazy and understanding that it could ultimately be negated, some Good Samaritan threw out a crazy number? Just a thought ...
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 Posted 07/30/2014  04:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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the fact that the coin isn't marked as "copy" makes the sale illegal, right?


Yes and No, depends if the coin is stamped copy or replica (though there is nothing to replicate since this would be a fantasy piece. Yes illegal to sell a copy coin without the stamp in the USA. Not allowed to sell on ebay any copy or replica coin since their rule change last fall.

Either way not allowed to sell on ebay period. I also see the sale completed, hope the buyer doesn't get burned. But the saying of P.T. Barnum is still strong!

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 Posted 07/30/2014  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
Never mind the mint ExoGuy. Carson City didn't exist in 1842. No such place.

I like the post 1865 reverse on the coin too. It would make a nice belt buckle. A fake version of the one below.

Visiting the old cc mint 35 years ago is an indelible memory, especially for the map of the Comstock mines.

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 Posted 07/30/2014  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Good points, Westcoin.

thq ... I know that the CC Mint wasn't around in 1842. I wrote that in my comment.

Nice belt buckle there, thq. That's where the copies belong!

Since the seller clearly noted it was a copy and didn't hype it as a CC, he/she wasn't a scammer. I see that some other coin copies were previously sold by this seller for $8 or so.
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 Posted 07/30/2014  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Yes illegal to sell a copy coin without the stamp in the USA.

Unless the copy was made before 1973. The HPA only applies to copies made after it was passed. The problem is how can you tell when it was made?


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Not allowed to sell on ebay any copy or replica coin since their rule change last fall.

True, which is rather difficult to those who collect contemporary counterfeits.
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 Posted 07/30/2014  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list

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Not allowed to sell on ebay any copy or replica coin since their rule change last fall.


Out of curiosity, I just ran a search for "copy" under coins and got over 1,500 hits. When I added "include details" there were more than 34,000 hits. I realize that by simply having the word "copy" in the description doesn't mean that the item is a copy, yet a quick look certainly reveals many a copy.

Looks like the copy collectors still have something of a shot, eh Condor?

Here's a cool one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replica-5-1...em2557b93a75
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 Posted 07/31/2014  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Well the ebay rules forbid the selling of copies, but they apparently don't automatically search them out. In the past you could simply report them as a rule violation but now since they have gotten rid of their direct reporting methods there really isn't any practical way to get rid of them. Which like you said a benefit to the counterfeit collectors.
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 Posted 07/31/2014  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
This ready availability of copies is not only a benefit to collectors, it's a benefit to scammers.
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