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1893-S Morgan, Does Not Look Genuine To Me (Ebay)

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 Posted 08/10/2014  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list

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A raw coin for $4000+?


A very sought after coin. Littleton has a VG for $5000. Heritage sold a MS67 a couple of years ago for $546,250.

This one looks real enough but obviously cleaned. I would say $4000 is about right for this coin in details grade.
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 Posted 08/10/2014  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
This looks like a fake to me, as does the 1894. I'm skeptical about the CC, too.

On the original 1893-S, there is a dentil positioned squarely below the 1 in 1893. The dentil below the 1 here is off-center.
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 Posted 08/10/2014  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
There's an outside chance that the '97-O is real. The rest are definitely chinese junk. Where do these people come from that are bidding on this crap?
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 Posted 08/10/2014  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
I wouldn't touch any morgan the seller is selling with a ten foot pole.
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 Posted 08/10/2014  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list
Definitely a fake.
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 Posted 08/10/2014  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
All of the coins he has listed look questionable to me.
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 Posted 08/11/2014  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bababooey to your friends list
"A very sought after coin."

My point about it beng raw, was that, if this coin is real, and it is worth $10,000 up or more graded, someone would definitely have it graded these days. The act of having it graded will greatly increase it's value

Just by logic, something is off with the listing. I really can't believe people are bidding on it.

I personally collect lower end stuff, and it does not make much economic sense to grade a $20 coin. It would be hard to recoup the grading fee. There is less of a market to pay $40 or $50 for a coin that would be $20 raw.

However I think there likely is a market to pay a few dollars (or even a few hundred) more on a $1000+ coin to make sure it is real and resellable. Especially a extremely rare mint marked coin.
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 Posted 08/11/2014  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
In these situations the Seller knows very well that the coin listed is a replica. If the Buyer calls him out on it he will just say, "oh I'm sorry, I didn't know (or some crap like that), please return the coin and I'll refund your money".

On the outside chance that the Buyer is a newbie, uneducated and wouldn't know a counterfeit from a hole in the ground, the Seller has reeled in his intended target. The Buyer doesn't complain because the Buyer doesn't know what he has been sold. The return clock at ebay is running and may expire before the Buyer finds out he has been shafted. Especially if he sent his ebay "treasure" in for TPG.

These type of Sellers know exactly what they are doing and how to work the system to their advantage. ebay lets it happen cause they are raking in huge fees. If the Seller gets busted they just resurface under a new ID.

It's a sad situation.
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 Posted 08/11/2014  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ant76 to your friends list
Just for knowledge, why would anyone buy a super expensive coin and not question everything about it? I question $30 morgans. I'm actually in negotiations for a coin thats around $8500. Its graded pcgs and from a huge dealer. I still question everything. Have people look at pics, call pcgs etc. I dont think I could ever scam someone of hard earned money and feel good about myself. Unless it was the scumbag who stole from me and I hope he buys a million fakes.
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 Posted 08/11/2014  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ant76 to your friends list
Now I got myself all aggravated again. I hope florida, only the section hes at, gets hit with a tornado for as long as hes there. Just on his property
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 Posted 08/11/2014  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
Yeah, hurricane karma.
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 Posted 08/11/2014  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ant76 to your friends list
Haha nice dave
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 Posted 08/11/2014  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list
westernsky nailed it. This is exactly what happens, and it must happen often enough that plenty of sellers continue to try it. Do you guys remember back in the day when ebay banned fake coins from their site. Man, it only seems like yesterday. Wait.......
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 Posted 08/14/2014  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list
It's definitely fake and there is NO way I would touch a key date of any series not in PCGS or NGC holder.
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08/14/2014 7:23 pm
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 Posted 08/14/2014  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list
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