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Looks like Machine Doubling to my inexperienced eye too. Looks like some die cracks too. |
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Looks like MD to me. Also a lot of die cracks. John1  |
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Just Longacre doubling.....no? Quote:
There is something going on with the A in states also. Let's see what the experts say. Looks like a die crack.... |
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I think that it is just light reflection. Being an AU coin the sides of the letters are still shiny but the faces are not.
I'm not convinced it's light reflection. The directionality of the doubling (if it is doubling) doesn't seem right for reflection. The glare on the devices suggests to me that the light is coming from the right, but the doubling doesn't seem consistent with what you'd expect for reflection of light from the right. I could be wrong, though. Also, there's the weird thing going on with the A in STATES- a die crack, perhaps? |
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Looks like several responses were posted while I was writing that last one- sorry to repeat!
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I think what you are seeing on the reverse is the result of some retooling work. This is somewhat common on Two Cent Pieces. Take a very close look at the 6 and 4 of the date. If there is visible doubling inside the bottom of the loop, and below the middle of the 4 digit you would have a Flynn 1864 DDO-005. Based on the excellent seller pics we can see some die cracks on the reverse that match the diagnostics of that Flynn variety. This info came from the book: "The Authoritative Reference On Two Cents Coins", by Kevin Flynn, which I highly recommend. Edited by Penny Guy
08/25/2014 9:48 pm
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PennyGuy nailed it. my buddy Frank Leone also agrees there are no 1864 Two Cent coins with reverse doubling, though you will see them listed on ebay often enough. The 1864LM is the most common date you will encounter, and many have RPDs. Kevin Flynn's book is quite good, I do like the out of print Attribution guide to 1864 Two Cent Pieces by Leone better, but it's only good on 1864 coins not the whole series, Kevin's book is quite in depth and goes into details and research on the Proof coinage that was sorely needed up till now. However Kevin only covers the basics of the varieties known, Frank lists over 100 different die marriages in 1864 alone. I really wish he would finish his books on the other years, but sadly he says it will probably never get done. I'm surprised that with all the hits on the obverse on this coin it got as high of a grade in AU by PCGS as it did. It also appears to have an old cleaning on the obverse, nothing bad, however I'd put this coin at AU53 maybe 55 (as the reverse is quite nice) but no way AU58. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Thanks, westcoin and PennyGuy. From the pics I can't sell if there is doubling inside the bottom of the loop of the 6 or below the middle of the 4. The gunk in there makes it tough to see these regions. Are the die cracks on the reverse enough to attribute as Flynn 1864 DDO-005? Also, thanks for the info on the reference books. I agree, there does seem to be quite a few hits on the obverse, but perhaps the reverse caused them to bring it up a grade or two? I'm interested in adding a two-cent piece to my collection, and am looking at several on ebay. Trying to decide if I should pull the trigger on this one. Edited by ALP
08/26/2014 08:50 am
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Maybe and maybe not but sure looks like a bit of doubling to me. So many of the letters show that doubling it makes it hard to not see that.
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Quote:I'm interested in adding a two-cent piece to my collection, and am looking at several on ebay. I just saw a few 1865, 1869, 1870 from the newly discovered Stack's NY hoard, they are fairly priced and look pretty nice, they are slabbed by NGC with a note to their provenance from the NY hoard. AU though low end MS coins. Can't remember the seller though, sorry, just search newly listed certified pieces, they may just fit your budget and needs. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
08/26/2014 10:49 pm
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Thanks, westcoin. After seeing your post I went and looked them up. The seller is dal_lan, for anyone else who is interested. .
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some Longacre doubling
But, look at the N in UNITED
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I assumed the N was just PMD, but looking at it closer, it almost looks like one of the legs of the N is broken. |
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MD
The A is a die crack.
The scrape at the N in United should have been noted
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