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Fake 1925 Penny From Ebay? - Please Help...

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 Posted 09/27/2014  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list
Guys,
I think there may be an earlier-than-expected resolution to my problem as the seller has now contacted me. The seller says he did not see the scratches, so it is a case of to each their own opinion on that element, as well as to the efficacy of communication. In any event the seller has said he is willing to refund upon return of the coin (it's going Monday express registered). I will provide a final update "when the money is in the bank" so to speak.
Cheers & thanks again to you guys,
Andy.
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 Posted 09/28/2014  02:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list
Penny goes tomorrow morning express to seller. Will update as soon as the money comes through - & if it does I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. After sleeping on it I was thinking if he shifts huge volumes then maybe, just maybe, it's possible he genuinely could miss a flaw, even a significant one, once in a while. Perhaps the ebay sellers like The Unicorn have a view on this? Have you guys ever found you've missed something on a coin because you were selling a large volume?
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 Posted 09/28/2014  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

Quote:
Have you guys ever found you've missed something on a coin because you were selling a large volume?

Most definitely not on something like that
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 Posted 09/28/2014  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list
I'm late to the party and all... but my 2 cents:
1: penny is genuine
2: seller should have disclosed scratches if he can't take decent photos
3: I have purchased from this seller with no problems
4: touch wood you have a satisfactory refund
5: YOU BID TOO MUCH. You not only bid a high amount but you then bid 2 more times to ensure you had the highest bid. A crook seller would have upped his bids to higher than your second highest bid. Even without those scratches the price is steep. I picked up on ebay a similar grade (and with a nice spur) for under $130 last month ( ebay item 161402785889.So you should have waited until you found a nice penny with clear images (or got into a bidding duel for my coin because I would have dropped out at well below $280).
6: All of us have picked up a few dogs at one time or another and it isn't just a noob mistake, I'm too embarrassed by some of mine
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 Posted 09/28/2014  04:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list
When I was worrying about my Penny I came across this and it may have educational interest especially for noobs like me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm?itemId=111418804908


It's just a Collector Penny the seller bought in July ($15.99 in cost - see photo below). Now for a noob like me I can't tell a lot of difference between this Collector Penny and the real 1925 Penny.





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09/28/2014 7:17 pm
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 Posted 09/28/2014  05:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list
Looks like a fake.
The letters in VS V are all wrong in their thickness.
Would pass a superficial observation and is a reasonable fake. What does the reverse look like as most fakes get the lettering badly wrong.
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 Posted 09/28/2014  06:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list
I've moved this to a new post - hoping to get some great tips on telling the collector coins from the real coins.
Andrew.
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09/28/2014 07:52 am
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 Posted 09/28/2014  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list

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5: YOU BID TOO MUCH. You not only bid a high amount but you then bid 2 more times to ensure you had the highest bid. A crook seller would have upped his bids to higher than your second highest bid.


Good point Neal,never put in a 2nd bid when your highest bidder,Seller will shrill it up at first opportunity and take the risk he has a fish on the end of the line.
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 Posted 10/01/2014  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list
Well it took a bit of searching but I eventually found the origin of the 1925 penny - it came to the seller as a lot of three from seller brenton49 ebay id : 181469022148 (original single sale was ended).

& 400744338885 (lot of 3 × 1925 pennies sold to my seller in mid-July).

The original photo as displayed when the penny was sold to my seller is below. It is unmistakably the same coin - see mark down shoulder through D to rim. See indent on I. Reverse also shows same markings (eg. rim indent after 1925). What's fascinating is how much shinier it is in the hand or when I photograph it than it looks in the original listing.
Cheers,
Andy.


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10/01/2014 7:48 pm
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 Posted 10/09/2014  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list
Good news guys - the penny is back on the market - get yourself a bargain, you'll be kicking yrself if you miss this one...

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=ite...8450&alt=web


Also, I've been told my money has been refunded but there's a paypal holdup (how good are these guys - ever needed their help?) - so once the cash is actually in my account I will advise & can tick this seller off as decent in that way.
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10/09/2014 07:34 am
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 Posted 10/14/2014  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list
Guys,
Told you I'd update when all finalised, so I am. Got ALL my money back including all postage, so seller did the right thing & kept his word in this regard. Thanks again for your advice & help - & lesson learned (luckily without too much pain).
Cheers,
Andy.
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 Posted 10/19/2014  06:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list
The same penny just resold for $385. If it is returned again I can see it making $1k easily. Truly the magic pudding of 1925 pennies.
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 Posted 10/23/2014  06:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list
New buyer obviously not happy - did put up positive feedback but it reads "Bad quality pics". I feel really bad for him - he shld demand a refund like I did. The coin is worth zilch.
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 Posted 10/25/2014  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list
I don't even know why the bidder went to $385 (even if the scratch didn't exist),did he bid on the first 1925 he saw? I picked up a 6 pearler full diamond for AUD 103 (under 90 USD) yesterday and I'm sure there are better/cheaper ones every year. Just need to search ebay and have some patience/bidding discipline.
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 Posted 10/26/2014  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list
Yeah, it's a funny one - but it's described as if it is most wonderful 1925 Penny ever. Sadly it's the most cleaned 1925 penny ever (well that may be an exaggeration, but you know what I mean). Agree with you re discipline etc - but I got caught & I think some of us have to get caught once to learn a lesson. If I was the buyer I would've gone for a refund - more mug him/ her for not doing so. But I'm pretty tenacious & take offence at having a seller misrepresent goods - I think if a coin is cleaned, & the seller either has cleaned it or knows it has been cleaned, it should state so in the description. Happy for others to have a different view - & just adding one of these fantastic bouncing fruits (or this may be a vegie)...
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10/26/2014 01:02 am
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