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Fraud Through Paypal Question

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 Posted 10/20/2014  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
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Sounds fishy to me. I wound not want to accept a PayPal transfer for an item I sold through kijiji or Craigslist. It's risky enough having to do it through ebay.

Why is he in such a big hurry?

My only guess is it's either fraud or he is afraid you are going to be offered more money for it from someone else because you sold it too cheap.
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 Posted 10/20/2014  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinmancanada to your friends list
I have read since writing that Paypal always sides with the buyer if they claim the delivered packaged was empty, and refund their money right away. hmmmmm.
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 Posted 10/20/2014  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
Paypal will side with the Buyer unless you can prove 100% that the item that was advertised was delivered to the Buyer. The only proof of delivery that is accepted by PayPal is signed delivery confirmation VIEWABLE ONLINE from a recognized shipping company like the postal services, FedEx or UPS. Even with that you are not completely out of the woods.

I would only do this face-to-face, in a very public area with cash. If the buyer balks then you know it was fraudulent (or he didn't want it as bad as he thought he did).
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 Posted 10/20/2014  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list
dont do it. if the item is important to him he will find another way (postal money order?)

anytime someone is rushing and pointing out that they expect you to be honest.... RED FLAGS

dont send anything you cant afford to loose
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 Posted 10/20/2014  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chick to your friends list
Ask him to pay as a family/friend through PayPal. Then there is no fee and he cannot come back at you. He will have to trust you 100% though.
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 Posted 10/20/2014  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinmancanada to your friends list
I thought the 2.9% still applied to family. At any rate, I suggested he pay the extra amount to cover the fee and he agreed to that no problem. (red flag) his response was a word for word duplicate of the above quote again with the new amount (red flag), but no other questions answered about his location, ship/no ship, etc. (rf again)

I've pretty much decided I'm not going to sell to him unless he can do cash. Any great ideas on how to test if they are for real? Supply a phoney PayPal address and see if I get a fake email?
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 Posted 10/20/2014  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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Ask him to pay as a family/friend through PayPal. Then there is no fee and he cannot come back at you. He will have to trust you 100% though.


This is true, I didn't think of that. There's NO FEE for a gift payment and the buyer would be on his own, paypal doesn't guarantee anything for the buyer when paid as a gift.

The only thing to worry about is if the paypal account has been hijacked and this guy is looking for a quick conversion. You could have the money taken from your account!
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 Posted 10/20/2014  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
The whole mess is stinking more and more. Run Forest, run!
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 Posted 10/20/2014  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matttheriley to your friends list
I agree, don't do it.
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 Posted 10/20/2014  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Trust your gut, if it walks and talks like a duck........
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 Posted 10/20/2014  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brenpickle to your friends list
If you have doubt then don't do it. I always go with my gut.
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 Posted 10/21/2014  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Left to your friends list
After over $500 in chargebacks this is all I have to say........ http://www.paypalsucks.com/
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 Posted 10/21/2014  01:01 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
It's up to you of course but if a buyer wants to pay with PayPal I have no problem with it unless there is some other huge red flag. PayPal shipping rules will specify you ship with an approved service and use signature confirmation. If you do and then remove the money from your PayPal account you should be fine. Again, make sure it is cleared payment for "goods and services" and ships to the PayPal address specified.

Now if the buyer is really pushy and/or suspicious then just move along.
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 Posted 10/27/2014  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add briank to your friends list
Standard scam.....same as craiglist ones
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 Posted 10/31/2014  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinmancanada to your friends list
Thank you for all your comments. As a followup to what happened, I suggested to him that I wasn't going to do PayPal, but if he wanted to buy he could send a bank draft in the mail, and I could mail the banknote to him. (he was trusting me, supposedly, by paying first by PayPal anyway). So he responded that he had to do PayPal because it was directly linked to his bank account. I said that just because he had it linked to PayPal didn't mean he HAS to use paypal, there were lots of great ways to scam through PayPal, and he could still send a bank draft by mail and in a few days it would be all taken care of.

I didn't hear from him again after that.

A very hearty thank-you to everyone for your help - no scam happened here this time. :)
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