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Jessie, you have me intrigued. Is there anything in particular to make you think fake?
My thoughts are the overall look is off, but I would think a bad cleaning job dulled it. Maybe artificially toned, maybe natural tone after the cleaning. But I don't see FAKE really . . . .
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The d looks like it was added on.
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Pillar of the Community
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Heres a close up of the D. It might have just looked bad from the pictures. Nothing in the close up makes me think its added. 
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Looks nothing like the MM in the early pic . . . . at all. You have super resolution in the MM pic. I would like to see that entire image. Or is it the same shot? I have heard the commons expression "if it looks fake it is probably real and if it looks real is probably fake. Very common (almost required) to have the MM sitting in a sort of recess. Usually with black surrounding it. I definately did NOT stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so people please jump in!!
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Edited by Jon K 11/27/2014 01:10 am
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I gave her the ol' Jesse's 32 D Test. Open any high AU or UNC 32-D reverse photo up in a photo editor or paint and run some azimuths. It's pretty darn near fool proof because toolers and counterfeiters have a very difficult time replicating the mint's production consistency. The line should run as centered as possible through the D. On an authentic coin, it will hug the eastern edge of the "R's" vertical column, the eastern edge of the eagle's right leg, the eastern edge of the eagle's eye, and will touch the "E" in STATES. I'll also mess around with the geometric shape illustrated which is also always consistent. I used to do something similar w/ type B coins.   I invite others to test this on various 32-D's and let me know what you think.
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That is a good test but the issue I see is the coin has to be photographed from pretty near the dead center of the coin. I'll try and get a more straight on photo to test.
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I've actually found that you can shoot it from worse angles than yours and it still holds true. You'd have to shoot at an entirely "un-sellable" angle for it not to work, really. It's still obviously only one way to test but I think it's a pretty good one.
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Soooo . . . . help me understand. There was only one set of dies in Denver? Thus the MM is always exactly in the same location? Definately cool stuff.
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Jon, I really am the last person who should be commenting on the minting processes of the early 30's... but my GUESS would be that they would have used only one working die unless it broke. If it didn't, they may have tended to it, but this would have little to no effect on the mm's placement. If it did, they would have just made another from the master hub. I think the master hub would be the only real possible "culprit" in terms of varied mm placements on such a low run of silver coins? I still don't think even a possible master hub "change" would come close to the geometrical anomalies I have observed on proven counterfeit coins in terms of the mm positioning. All I can say with certainty is that most counterfeit 32-Ds will not pass the test. I hope more try for themselves and comment.
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This is the 32-D from my collection in NGC plastic. Seems to hold true on this one! I drug the line down from the eastern edge of the "E" in STATES and through the center of the MM. All seem to line up correctly. 
Edited by Jon K 12/06/2014 10:45 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Same treatment from the center of the "T". 
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So Jesse, what would you say about this one? 
Edited by Jon K 12/07/2014 12:54 am
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My thoughts: Does it have MS details....Yes Is it authentic....Yes Should a coin like this be slabbed....Yes Has it been cleaned....Yes Would I purchase it....No (because of the cleaning; unless he gave me a really good deal).
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