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 Posted 11/16/2014  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BluegrassRiver to your friends list
Competition worries? I thought us hard money people were supposed to worship the free market with no regulations! :) Seriously, now that I know the reference books to read what web sites or blogs specialize in colonials? I wish this excellent forum had a few more subcategories.
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 Posted 11/16/2014  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list
NJ Bob: Absolutely buy the Whitman Encyclopedia of Colonial and Early American Coins first...

After you decide what you like, start to buy the individual specialized books.

As for dealers, my opinion is to attend a coin show as there will likely be several colonial dealers there. This seems obvious, but there is always ebay.

For anyone just starting out in colonials, I would recommend buying the following for under $100 total for 3-4 coins:

-George II or III halfpenny from the 1730s to 1775. A decent example on ebay should be about $25. Do not bother to buy these slabbed. The good thing about these is that even if you accidentally buy a counterfeit, they are actually more collectible than genuine (regal) pieces and are still considered colonial coins.

-Spanish silver: Coins minted in the Spanish colonies that traded in North America. Any denomination but specifically Half, 1, or 2 Reales. Probably easiest to find Mexico City mints. You can find these on ebay for about $25. Even if they have a hole, they are still collectible and some people say that just adds to their charm and intrigue. Again, counterfeits are just as collectible as genuine pieces (if not more so)!

-Low grade state copper coinage such as NJ or CT. You should have no problem of finding a low grade example often with environmental damage and/or corrosion on ebay for under $50. These are not often counterfeited so buying a raw example that "looks old" is often good enough to ensure you are buying a good piece. Most replicas sold at Williamsburg are marked "copy".
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 Posted 11/16/2014  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
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 Posted 11/16/2014  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnjkedel to your friends list
Great responses ... I will add that after collecting for a few years I find myself selling off many of my originally collected coins to purchase from the colonials. They are a different animal - they grow on you :) Half Cents are my favorite. I hope and expect to expand.
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 Posted 11/16/2014  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
An excellent reference on colonial paper money is Eric P Newman's "The Early Paper Money of America".

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 Posted 11/17/2014  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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what web sites or blogs specialize in colonials?

This is a good one.
http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/

Then there is the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4)
http://www.colonialcoins.org/

If you really get really into it I have the first 142 issues of the Colonial Newsletter in PDF format. That is all but the last 11 issues.
(The index is available online at http://numismatics.org/wikiuploads/...index154.pdf )
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 Posted 11/17/2014  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list
Well this is all good stuff and thanks for continuing to comment with more and different info. I hope to see more input from others... thanks for all who have contributed to this thread.
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 Posted 11/18/2014  05:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list
I have been pretty eclectic in my colonial collection but right now am having a love hate relationship with Connecticuts. I love that you can cherrypick rarer varieties, and enjoy attributing them. The hate part comes in after hours of trying to attribute low grade pieces with not a lot of detail remaining. I have a couple of pieces of colonial paper and Continental Currency. I would like to get a Continental Currency note signed by Samuel Meredith, as his estate is close to me, and he is one of our local "celebrities".
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 Posted 11/18/2014  06:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Welcome to the CCF, Icutler! I share your frustration with the Connecticut pieces. Still, the detective work can be fun at times. There's definitely a knack needed for attributing these toughies, what with the oft missing detail needed for an ID ... Good luck with your hunt!
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 Posted 11/18/2014  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
Welcome! Post up some pics of those Connecticuts, and we'll see what we can do. And let's see that paper on the Paper Money forum!
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 Posted 11/18/2014  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list
Thanks, I am up to a little over 30 varieties, and have them all ID'd. I recently picked up an unattributed R6 Miller 33.27 - r.4 for a grand total of $14. I've really got to figure out posting pictures sometime, guess the reason I collect 18th century coins is because that is about where my technology level is! When I have time I'll have to get my sons to show me how.
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 Posted 11/18/2014  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Some very interesting varieties in the Connecticut Coppers.
Can't wait to see your collection!
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Very happy I found your site. Anyone have info on a copper half penny with GEORIOUS 111 VIS on the obverse and
a seated figure with a pole in the right hand that has a cap on top. I would appreciate any info. g13t20 (Tom S.)
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 Posted 04/07/2015  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pistareen to your friends list
Coins were manufactured in "America" staring 250 years before the first Connecticut copper found it way into circulation. Come over to the dark side of American Colonial Coins and see what "foreign" coins would "really" have been kicking around the various colonies back before the Declaration of Independence, when the land really was a collection of colonies. Coins minted late in the short period of time of the Articles of Confederation through the Constitutional Convention were issued from "states" not colonies. "States" coinage is interesting but short lived and more of a token coinage. Like collectors of "Civil War coins" who only buy coins minted in Philadelphia between 1861 and 1865 with emphasis on Civil War Tokens of 1863 - 1864, they would miss then vast majority of older dated coins actually used during the war, including nearly all the Confederate ones. Think of the whole field of "colonial coins" and you may find really historic examples starting under $15.00 a piece. Consider a Queen Elizabeth I six pence dating to the founding of Sir Walter Raleigh's Lost Colony, or an early King James I shilling as coins that belong in the American "Colonial" Series if you want to be English about it. Spanish, French, Dutch, and other New World colonies will give you plenty of latitude to explore regional and local history through "true colonial" coins that might have been here, back when.
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 Posted 04/08/2015  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Anyone have info on a copper half penny with GEORIOUS 111 VIS on the obverse and and
a seated figure with a pole in the right hand that has a cap on top.

Sounds like an evasion piece but I can't match up the inscription. Are you sure about the spelling? Closest I can find is obv G 0835 which reads GLORIOVS III .VIS. It comes paired with five different reverses, all of which have a seated figure of Britannia. is there any inscription or date on the rev?
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