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Rim Damage Question: 1916-S Walker

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 Posted 09/05/2007  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
I think $50 is a fair price for this coin. Way too much wear for $100, and with noted damage.
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 Posted 09/05/2007  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list
I looked at a 1799 dollar at a show that had rim damage, albeit mild rim damage. Here's the kicker. It was in a PCGS holder, and as you probably know they don't slab problem coins. According to the seller, the rim damage wasn't enough to deem it a "problem" coin. The labeled grade was Fine, and he said without the light ding on the rim it would be Very Fine. It did indeed look like a VF coin otherwise.

I'm not an expert, but if this is all true it's (possible) your could be considered a bona fide problem free AG coin. That is if the rim damage is very subtle.

Either that or PCGS just really messed up on the dollar I looked at.

Edit: In the pictures I can't see the damage at all.
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09/05/2007 11:07 am
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 Posted 09/05/2007  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen420 to your friends list
Congrats on your first question; this is a great forum that has and continues to be irreplaceable as a place to learn about all aspects of the hobby.

Anyway, I recently had the opportunity to choose between a 1917-D Ob. MM with EF40 details, but with a tiny notch of the reverse rim somehow missing, or one of the same date/mm in maybe F15 with no damage. On the damaged coin, it looks as though someone surgically removed two dentils - a perfectly even cut, maybe 2mm; probably less. It's a very nice looking coin, a coin I wouldn't have been able to afford minus the rim damage.

I will occasionally buy a problem coin if I know ahead of time. This dealer informed me of the damage before I bought the coin and priced the coin accordingly. The notch is so trivial in my view, I might not have noticed it in the dealer's photos, so kudos to him.

Anyway, I chose the "problem" coin over the non-problem coin because I liked it has way better eye-appeal than the other, damage notwithstanding, it looks great in my album, and you can't even see the rim problem without careful examination. I'm pretty sure it would be body-bagged if I sent it to NGC or PCGS for grading, but I'm pleased with it the way it is.

For what it's worth, I think your (potential) coin looks like a nice, wholesome circulated coin and the rim bruise looks very minor to me - ANACS wouldn't have put it in a regular holder if the damage was serious. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Good luck. Looks to me like you've got an opportunity to acquire a nice example of a tough date.
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 Posted 09/05/2007  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
The visible rim looks OK, but what about the reeding? Any evidence of filing? As far as price, the word "details" takes it down another grade as far as I'm concerned, so net Fair-2. I still think $50 is a reasonable amount to offer.
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 Posted 09/05/2007  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justjimrob to your friends list
Thanks for all of the great comments. Unfortunately I can not see any of the reeding so there might be hidden damage that falls under the "damaged rim" umbrella. I think I might pass on this one and keep my eyes open for a nice one in my price range.

Thanks again.

Jim
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 Posted 09/05/2007  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Again, you have to weigh the significents of quantity minted. With the massive amount of new coin collectors poping up each day, your chances of ever finding one in any condition will deminish. At $100 you would be surprized at what that would sell for at a coin show. We have a rather big one coming up here this weekend. I'll look at what they are going for there, if anyone has one that is. Like I said, with such a low mintage and such an increase in collectors, you may have a missing coin for the next hundred years.
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 Posted 09/21/2007  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverAcolyte to your friends list
I don't get it. I get 40's walkers for 3.50 - 4 bucks at the coin shop.
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 Posted 09/22/2007  02:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list
How come you didn't get it? Decided to hold out for a better example?
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 Posted 09/22/2007  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list
It a big $$$$ coin Amazon99
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 Posted 09/22/2007  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thundercoin to your friends list
I think that this is a pretty decent coin for an AG example. However, I was at a coinshow recently and saw 2 that were at least G-4, probably G-6, (I grade walkers conservatively), and were $90 and $110. I think that you can do better for $100. Personally, I wouldn't go over $75 for that coin.

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 Posted 09/22/2007  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list
I know it's a higher priced coin, I just didn't know if he decided to start to save his money so that he can find a problems free coin in a higher grade(mainly VG, but I would guess if that depends on how much he saved or even if he did save).
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 Posted 09/24/2007  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justjimrob to your friends list
Well, I decided to buy it. I don't see too many of them and this was in my acceptable price range. I am satisfied with it. Could I have found a better coin or a better deal? Sure. I like it though. The more I look at it the less I notice the rim damage. I think I was hung up on the rim when I was trying to decide if I wanted to buy it. It is a key date so there is nothing stopping me from buying another one in the future to get a higher grade example!

Thanks,

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 Posted 09/24/2007  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Good going there justjimrob. People may say to much or OK but it's your money, your happiness that is important. As to being able to find better ones cheaper. All my life I've noticed that if I buy something for $1 and it is worth $1,000, there are always people that will say, I could have got that for $0.50. Or my Uncle sells them all the time for $0.25 Just human nature. What you now have is a coin of very low mintage and remember, with 300,000,000 people in the USA alone, it doesn't take to many of those being collectors to make your coin rare. If coin collecting continues to boom at the present rate, that coin will really be a cherished item in your collection.
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 Posted 09/24/2007  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
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I don't get it. I get 40's walkers for 3.50 - 4 bucks at the coin shop.

that is just because the coins you are buying isn't key date coins, they are just regular mintage coins that are plentiful on the market. The only thing that can make a average dated coin worth more is condition, if most of that certain date is MS-63 and you find one that is MS-67 and there has only been 1 graded MS-67 by the top TPG's then that coin would be priced on condition and not the date, as with the coin in question there weren't allot of them minted in the first place and no one really knows how many are actually around left for collectors so in just about any grade that key date coin will be worth more than 50 average dated coins of the same type
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 Posted 09/24/2007  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list
I like the look of that coin. A key date is always a key date!
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