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Death To The Penny

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 Posted 12/13/2014  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list
@Conder101 I know this may be out of context to this thread but it does apply to what you were saying. Last week I went to the bankl and got a box of cents believing that I would be searching some older coins. Well to make a long story short the were all 2014. So with that I 'm assuming that they are still sending banks cents. Oh by the way I did put them in my 5 gallon water bottle that I will cash in (on another thread) shortly cause it is almost filled.
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 Posted 12/13/2014  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list
They're as useless as Japanese 1 yen coins. Get rid of them. At our present rate of currency debasement, we will be able to get rid of all coins less than $1 in about 20 years.
Then we can have small aluminum $1 coins, just Iike the Japanese 1 yen.
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12/13/2014 8:26 pm
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 Posted 12/25/2014  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matchbox to your friends list
I posted this video several years ago but it's good to see it again.


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12/25/2014 3:38 pm
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 Posted 12/25/2014  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add punman to your friends list
Rounding is fair in Canada. If something with tax costs $1.01 or $1.02 you round down to a dollar and save a cent or two. If something costs $1.03 or $1.04 you round up to $1.05 and lose a cent or two. After numerous transactions over a month you would break even. Half the time you win. Half the time you lose. I have not seen businesses round $1.01 and $1.02 items up to $1.05.

Anything bought on credit card/debit/cheque/auto withdraw (like mortgage) is done exactly to the cent with no rounding. That accounts for probably 90%+ of our transactions anyways.

The penny was the first coin I collected as a kid so I have a soft spot in my heart for them in Canada but it was the smart thing to do. It was costing 1.6 cents each to make them at the end. They don't circulate much any more but you know what? I never saw a large cent in circulation in Canada and they were made from 1858 to 1920 and then gradually withdrawn during the 1930s as the small cent took over. I completed a large cent collection over the last year with little trouble. They are still out there in the hands of collectors and dealers and I am sure the small cent will be there too. Any pennies taken to the banks will be sent back but there is no law forcing their return so there will be millions in the hands of collectors and hoarders for as long as they wish to keep them.

It was actually the demise of the penny that got me two years ago more interested in the hobby. I had not looked at my collection of pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters in over 10 years. When I heard pennies were being withdrawn I decided to fill in my albums by roll hunting. I am now more active in coin collecting then ever and have added silver dollars and 50 cent pieces to my collection.
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12/25/2014 5:58 pm
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 Posted 12/25/2014  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Don't miss the penny (one cent Coin) at all. Have not had one in change since March of 2013. The rounding from every place I spend cash is always fair. The US should seriously examine the rational for the continued use of a very low value coin. We were just in Las Vegas and a couple of 7-11 stores said if you don't have the pennies forget it. Seems that some smart merchants are de facto rounding now. While the monetary geniuses in Washington are at it let go of the one and two dollar bank notes and issue coins instead.
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 Posted 12/25/2014  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list
I bet u wouldnt miss the nickel either, pacificoin. In inflation terms, nickels are a Half Cent piece.
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12/25/2014 9:29 pm
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 Posted 12/25/2014  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Actually I think I would miss the nickels. Not only a sentimental favourite but rounding to five is plenty good enough. Part of the trouble is that unlike New Zealand and Australia, we in both Canada and the US don't use a true decimal system. We have 25 cent coins or quarter dollars and OZ and NZ use 20 cent pieces. The Twenty Cent Piece makes it possible to round to the nearest ten .
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 Posted 12/25/2014  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list
I'd love the US to round to tens. Get rid of the cent and nickel, keep the dime and bring in a new multisided smaller 50 cent to replace the 25 cent. Britain's 50 pence is an excellent example. 10c, 50c, $1 and $2 coins would make cash transactions fast and easy, and leave room in registers for an eventual $5 coin. We wouldn't need a 20 cent because our dime is small enough.
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 Posted 12/25/2014  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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@Conder101 I know this may be out of context to this thread but it does apply to what you were saying. Last week I went to the bankl and got a box of cents believing that I would be searching some older coins. Well to make a long story short the were all 2014. So with that I 'm assuming that they are still sending banks cents.

You got them from a US bank. Yes they are still sending them to US banks because we are still making them (at a loss) and businesses are still requesting them continuing the one way traveling of the cents from mint to bank to business to customer to change jar. When the Mint stops making them, the banks won't be able to get enough so the businesses won't be able to get them. Pretty soon they will start rounding on their own (you won't have to make it mandatory) and they will stop requesting cents from the banks. With the business not requesting them any that do come back to the banks will start piling up and the Banks will start sending them back to the Fed to get them out of the way. Also the people will start hoarding them because "You just don't see many of these anymore", or "They aren't making these anymore and they might be valuable in the future". Within a years time after the last deliveries from the Mint/Fed to the banks the cent will be very seldom seen in circulation. As the Canadian situation seems to prove.
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 Posted 12/26/2014  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The U.S. REALLY needs coins of
dimes, quarters, halfs, dollars and $2, with a fixed plan and timetable to issue a $5.

The half should be like the current British 50P, but slightly smaller.
Current gold color small dollars OK, the $2 and future $5 bi metal different colors with differnt edges, something like the higher value circulating Euro coins.

NO notes at all below $5!!

I think it would be too much to ask the U.S. Public to accept polymer notes at this stage, with any of the mooted changes to the coins.

Bring back circulating gold color double eagles made from aluminum bronze.
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 Posted 09/16/2024  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
All recent replies to this ten year old topic have been moved to a newer topic.

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 Posted 09/18/2024  05:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list
We simply should stop minting the cent. Let the remaining ones do the job until they just vanish.

I don't want them actively removed from circulation because I am too busy hoarding the bronze ones.

LOL.
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 Posted 09/18/2024  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Let the remaining ones do the job until they just vanish.
Which should take about six months.

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I don't want them actively removed from circulation because I am too busy hoarding the bronze ones.
Good point!
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Politics perpetuates pennies.
Money is made by sellers of zinc and copper that have lobbyists that make sure "certain people" have an incentive not to discontinue the cent.
Cutting the cent would also necessitate drastically reducing mint (and mining, metal processing, transportation, distribution, etc.) personnel, which also have lobbyists.
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Money is made by sellers of zinc and copper
Zinc, mosdef, but copper? The plating is not that thick.

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Cutting the cent would also necessitate drastically reducing mint (and mining, metal processing, transportation, distribution, etc.) personnel, which also have lobbyists.
I disagree. Just move focus to minting dollar coins, since the same miracle that finally killed the cent also killed the dollar bill.
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