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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I've seen cleaned CBH's in graded PCGS holders, so it really does reaffirm the statement "buy the coin, not the holder".
LogPotato, you and I would get along well together. To me a dipped coin is an altered coin. For instance, and to the consternation of many I assume, I consider none of the Central America gold to be truly MS. It was subject to a chemical cleaning process after recovery, not much different than dipping a coin. At best the coins are AU. Did I buy one? Yes, but I bought a nice looking correctly graded AU double eagle that is not exhibiting the hazed look due to the cleaning process. This 1895-S Morgan is an example of yet another coin destroyed by dipping.
Edited by DoubleEagle20 12/20/2014 12:30 pm
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Moderator
 United States
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There isn't enough photographic information for anyone to make a qualitative judgement of the surfaces.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A local brick and mortar shop has a counterfeit IHC that was graded and slabbed by PCGS. It is on display in the shop...
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Moderator
 United States
16679 Posts |
Are you sure the whole thing isn't fake?
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Valued Member
United States
292 Posts |
It's a circulated coin with white surfaces, that's qualitative enough for me.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8137 Posts |
 the coin's shine should not look like that in a problem free XF grade.
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New Member
United States
35 Posts |
It may not have been cleaned. Hard to tell from pictures. It may have just been in a vault bag for a 100 years, then just passed around by collectors.
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 United States
23522 Posts |
I dunno. Is this one cleaned?   Keep in mind, when a cruddy coin circulates, or gathers crud while in circulation, it's going to get crammed into the nooks and crannies, and the exposed surfaces will look "cleaned."
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Valued Member
Canada
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OP, I would say that it is probably dipped and most likely well circulated. Any TPG can make mistakes, they see thousands of coins at a time and don't have hours to pour over every coin.
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Valued Member
United States
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It looks like it was dipped to me. As I understand PCGS grading standards, a coin can be dipped and still be given a numerical grade. Am I correct on that?
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 United States
23522 Posts |
Done right, you can't tell a coin has been dipped. Nobody in their right mind dips a circulated coin, although that's no guarantee this one hasn't. I just object to the idea of taking these images as Gospel regarding the surfaces, because they're not good enough.
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Pillar of the Community
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Has it been cleaned? IMO nearly all, 95%+ of all business strike coins pre-1933, have been cleaned to some degree (whether in a straight grade holder or not). It's a matter of degree of cleaning. Ever wonder why NGC says "improperly cleaned or harshly cleaned" on their holders, it's because nearly all coins have been cleaned, but, certain cleaning is acceptable or "proper". So, has this coin been cleaned, yes, but PCGS deemed the cleaning "proper"
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Nobody in their right mind dips a circulated coin There must be some "crazy" EAC dealers out there, then. While perhaps not a common practice, I have heard that some of them will "strip" an early copper, using silver dip, then retone the piece. Also, I hear tell that there's a most sought after restorer (cleaner) of early coppers on the west coast whose restorations command in the thousands from rare copper dealers. He's that good ... IMHO, the 1895-S $1 has likely been dipped. Buy the coin, not the slab. To my thinking, the PCGS holder helps give some assurance of the coin being genuine, but that's about as far as it goes. They can err on the genuineness of a coin, too. The great majority of our early coins have been "cleaned" or conserved in some way or another, these past hundred years or so. It's the obvious cleaning that typically commands our attention, methinks.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well this has evolved into a hum-dinger of a thread. 
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United States
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Dipped.... out. Market graded. The TPGs have a much higher tolerance level for better-date coins like that.
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