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Pillar of the Community
United States
1208 Posts |
First off, great post. I think you'll get plenty of good advice here. It's very thoughtful of you to consider what you can do to help dig yourself out of a hole. I have mixed feelings on this, mainly because I have been where you are. I started collecting at about 10, and a few times during my life I have had to liquidate the better part of my collection, then start all over later when times got better and I could afford to start over.
First, while it is a struggle, as you are aware, you could just sit on what you have, not add to it, and just slowly go on with life, digging out of your hole however you can. Believe it or not, you WILL dig out, even without selling your coins, and you WILL be able to pick back up on your hobby in a few years. I have been there, and while you might not see the light at the end of the tunnel right now, it's going to come eventually. So option 1 is just pack it away, and forget about coins, sit on what you got. Come back when you can.
Option 2, and what I have done in hard times, is to divide your collection into 2 parts. One part is made up of the coins that you just can't see yourself parting with. Not because of monetary value, but rather just coins that you love, or hold sentimental value. Then the others you sell off... Hopefully the more valuable money wise will be the 2nd group. Now take the first group and store it away, forget you have it, and then come back to it when times are good again. I have done this 4 or 5 times through my life. I'm 45, so this has been how I have operated for 35 years. Many times it seemed there was no hope of getting back into the hobby, but it always comes back around. The goal is to keep from up and down cycles like this, of course, but it happens, it's life.
Then there is the 3rd option, of total liquidation. This would hurt the most, but it still is not a lifetime ban on ever collecting coins again! Even if you went this route, someone who started collecting at 10 is NOT going to give up the hobby. Things will get better, and you'll be back, even if you tell yourself differently right now. Been there, done that.
Now it's up to you. Good luck. Keeping you in my prayers.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I've got to clear up a couple misconceptions. If you doubt my assertions or numbers it's relatively simple to Google an amortization calculator & plug in different numbers to see for yourself. At this point you need to do that anyway so you know where you actually stand. Information is power as long as it's correct. Quote: This loan is not simple intererst it is compound intrest, and it is forward loaded. This means for about the first ten years of the loan you are paying about 50% of the interest. assuming this is a 30 year loan and you pay the minnimum each month your total payment will be HANG TIGHT...$1,260,000. I agree that the loan is compound interest. However, simple interest of 7.5% annually is higher than what you would pay on a 7.5% compound interest loan as long as you make monthly payments that are greater than the interest amount. This is due to fact that interest is calculated on the principle amount which is decreasing over the course of the year. You do pay more interest in the early years of the loan. Not because it is "forward loaded" (whatever that is) but because the principle the interest is applied to is higher. If you are not making payments then compound interest will increase your debt faster than simple interest. Quote: If you can afford to do this you can shorten the loan life to 12 to 15 years saving yourself many thousands in interest. It would be far better to pay more P each month than make a 10 or 15 thousand lump payment now. The best time to apply extra funds to a loan is sooner rather than later. You will save more interest over the life of the loan if you apply 10-15k now rather than an extra $1000/month for the next 10-15 months.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: Despite this I think that unskilled workers with only a high school diploma are in much worse shape in this global economy...
Professions like doctors and lawyers cannot be outsourced so they should fare comparatively well. at least here in Canada, any trade - especially construction related - has great opportunities. while ahead of a high school diploma you can get your red seal certificate for the price of a new car. DR and lawyers cant be outsourced, but they are being IN-sourced. trained pro's are coming from other countries and undercutting the current wage structure.
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Valued Member
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Do they teach Financing in med school?
At 7.5% interest and $3500 monthly payments, a $421,000 loan would be paid off in 223 months, not years. That's about 18 years. A lot, but certainly not 200 years as you wrote. This is because with each passing month, the principal erodes away, and every new payment pays less interest and more principal.
If you could get the interest down to 6%, making the same monthly payments, you'll be done with the loan in 184 months, or 15 years, and you'll also save $136,500 in total payments. Think what a great coin collection you could buy with the $136,500 extra cash.
Selling off $20,000 worth of coins, if you keep the same 7.5% rate, would cut the number of payments to 202 months. That would save you 2 years and a total of $73,500. Yes, that's right - your $20,000 collection is costing you $73,000 in interest.
If you could get BOTH a reduction to 6% interest AND sell $20,000 worth of coins towards the principal, you'll be paying off the loan in 170 months, or 14 years.
Another option of course is not to reduce the loan time, but instead extend it and reduce the monthly payments, allowing you more free income. You'll pay more in the long term, but you'll live better short-term, you could raise kids, and so on.
One thing you must NEVER do, is never take those grace periods where you don't pay anything. The interest piles up so fast that a few months of non-payment set you back many years on your payment plan.
I think you must take a better loan at least for part of the amount. The difference between 6% and 7.5% equates to huge amounts of money that you just don't have.
Things are not as bleak as you think. You are not enslaved for life. Your salary will rise, your options would improve, and the debt will be paid off. And in the meantime, get a good financial advisor, and work out a plan where you can both live comfortably and pay off everything. It can be done.
Good luck!
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
Quote: SD: For the record, I haven't acquired a new coin for my collection since January 2013. There are plenty of ways to keep numismatics interesting if you're not buying. I just made my first numismatic purchase in over 6 months myself. Believe me it's almost as much fun to look as it is to buy. And to the OP - Consider selling off a portion of your collection, maybe 25% of it to help with the debt. This is not a real good time to sell. My guess is the market for sellers will be better in 2 to 3 years. Hang in there!
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
539 Posts |
can you leave the country? immigrate to Australia, if your a doctor they will welcome you with open arms
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Believe me it's almost as much fun to look as it is to buy. Agreed! I get just as much pleasure from CCF as I do my collection. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
 Fantastic amount of dept. Not sure about those adds on TV about how to lower such depts but sure have been a lot of them. And your interest rates are really excessive. You just have to look into more possibilities. And as already noted you may never get the amount you think for your coin collection and what you do get would hardly dent what you owe. Keep the coins for as long as possible. Concentrate on trying to find one of those so called we can get you out of dept things they ad on TV. As the old saying goes, Any port in a storm. Try anything possible first.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1348 Posts |
Me personally, I would sell the collection. I started collecting a long itme ago and in 2010 I decided to sell almost my entire collection. Even my prized 1799 silver dollar (worth about $3k) had to go. Why would I do this you ask? I had an opportunity to purchase a rental property. the collection fetched about 1/2 of what the rental property cost me in total (purchase and repairs). Since 2011 I have had it rented out for $550 a month. Taking away about 1 months rent for insurance and 1 months rent for taxes, I clear about $5500.00 a year. Since doing this I have reinvested the money and now own another property with the same returns. One day soon I will be at a coinc auction and I will say to myself in private, "Its time to start reaquiring my lost coins." With that I will know I have enough money from the rental properties to buy my collection back within 2 years and still have a steady rental income flowing in.
You just need to figure out what you think is best for you. I know I will buy back (not my original of course) my 1799 silver dollar, but this time it will be in a higher grade and i'll know it was well worth the sacrafice.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1374 Posts |
To answer your question, no I'd never sell my collection. In your situation, you can either have a ton of debt - or have a coin collection and a ton of debt.
That is an enormous amount of student debt; I had no idea that lenders would lend that much money. I went to one of the most prestigious private liberal arts colleges and finished my masters from the top school in the nation for the subject. I'm 32 and my total cost for my 7 years of college was $166,000. So how you managed three times that amount - in debt alone - really amazes me. I couldn't imagine a PhD program costing another $300,000 - especially when a vast majority of PhD students are funded (at least in my department at Oregon State University). In fact, the professors wont even accept you unless you have funding. My undergraduate debt was about $25,000, which I paid off a couple years ago. And I paid my way through the masters program, so I only owe $2000 on it right now. Were you using the student loan money for things other than tuition? I'm just blown away by $400,000 student debt.
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Valued Member
United States
291 Posts |
That is a lot of student loan debt, but as a Dr (assuming that is a MD), you should be able to handle it. Plus, with inflation, the occasional inheritance, bonuses, etc., you should be able to get ahead of the game in 5-10 years. The problem will arise when you decide you need a nice 1/2 million house, private school for the 3 kids (@ $20k/ea), luxury cars to keep up with the jones! and nice vacations for your stay at home wife.
I would not sell the coin collection, but that's just me.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
849 Posts |
Many are amazed at the size of the debt. For me, my interest is trying to get a handle around how to amass a coin collection worth $20,000 by age 27 while being a student for most of that time and borrowing more money each year in school.
I am more than double the age of the original poster. I guess like the saying goes, times are different so I tried to put it into perspective when I was 27 in 1980. $20,000 now was like $7300 where I lived in Western Canada back then when factoring in inflation. I had completed four years of post-secondary, was not at the time working in my field of education, my wife home with two young children and was trying to save for a down payment on a house. Mortgage rates were above 12%. I did collect coins as a teenager but by 27 was collecting mainly from finds in change as I wanted so much to not have to rent and get that down payment. It was not until later in life that I was able to start putting spare money into my hobby and is not even close to $20,000 nor $7000.
I am not saying the OP was wrong to put the money into coin collecting. We all have our priorities and passions. I am just wondering how he was able to do it.
As far as advice, I'd say sell most of the collection. Your interest is 7.5% and there is no way you will average 7.5% per year increase in value over the next 15 years year after year with that coin collection sitting around. But keep a few sentimental pieces or items that were bargains you will never be able to replace at a similar price later.
Wishing you the best no matter what you decide.
Edited by punman 12/24/2014 9:59 pm
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Pillar of the Community
3772 Posts |
'punman', I wouldn't question how he acquired the collection - myself had saved up (in today's term) well over $20,000 from jobbing during my university years (programming), was a slog and not much time for socialising though.
Would agree that he should dispose of items which are easily replaceable in the future, just to make the cash flow easier.
As per the huge debt, first step should be to look at refinancing. Bringing the interest rate down (which should be possible) will save heaps and allow to dispose of the debt (or reduce it to an easily manageable level) within a reasonable time.
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Valued Member
United States
113 Posts |
Dreamer,are you employed as a physician now? If so, can you moonlight? This is what my husband does for extra money. We paid for 10 years on his medical school debt but finally got it done. Keep the faith.
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