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1912 $5 Gold Royal Mint Issue 1 Of The 1-St 8000 Minted

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 Posted 01/05/2015  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list
So someone found a fancy box and made up a certificate of authenticity. Not sure why someone would go to the trouble
to forge a Royal Mint certificate of authenticity.
What find interesting is the reference to the 8000 coin originally minted, which was the initial order for the $5 and $10 gold coins.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list
The RCM sells products from other mints. Why wouldn't The Royal Mint also do so?
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 Posted 01/05/2015  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list
My bad, I didn't see the other pics with the cert details,.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list
It is interesting that the seller put the * with the actual mintage numbers. Though with all of the publicity around the BoC hoard release, it would be surprising that no one brought this "release" up in this forum, assuming it was actually real. At least the buyer did not pay a crazy price for the coin.

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 Posted 01/05/2015  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
It seems that the RCM was using The Royal Mint as a marketing agency.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list
The question is still where did the UK Royal Mint get the coins from. Did the coins come from the Bank of Canada hoard.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list
That's the question, and the other question is, is this coin 1 of the first 8000 minted in 1912? If so, where the coins sent in 1912 to The Royal Mint for some sort of quality control or approval and then a small hoard sat until 2006, these where released 6 years prior to the bank of Canada Hoard release.
David Barrass was brought in to turn The Royal Mint into a money making venture which he did in 20 months that's how long he was CEO Deputy Master starting in 2006
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 Posted 01/08/2015  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list
Received the coin nothing spectacular obverse is baggy, reverse is really nice. I have sent an email to Royal Mint I'll see if I get a response. With the exchange paid a little too much, but interested in the history of this issue and how it came about.
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 Posted 01/08/2015  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add torgemco to your friends list
I tried researching
a gold sale by Canada
in 2006
I think as an act
of Parliament
the mint(?) sold $600,000.00
of gold to whom I do not know
seems likely though that
it may have been some gold
coinage though
with all due respect
collector67.what do you think of
the grade
regards
regards
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 Posted 01/08/2015  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
Charlton lists the mintage for 1912 as 165,680, so I wonder what the 8,000 number has to do with. Their asterisk says 165,680 is the total for 1912-1914 but Charlton says 98,832 for 1913 and 31,122 for 1914. Odd that their "certificate of authenticity" is so dubious.
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 Posted 01/09/2015  02:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list
I think it meant 165,680 was the mintage for 1912, but they were released/sent to banks between 1912 and 1914. It is a bit weird and I am not really sure what to make of the claim of the first 8,000.
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 Posted 01/09/2015  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collectorofthings to your friends list
very suspicious..... run..
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 Posted 01/10/2015  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list
torgemco- The coin might make MS62 but like I said it is baggy on the obverse it's comparable to the BoC Hoard release coins
Collectorof things - why run the coin is a genuine $5 gold which I paid close to bullion.

The only thing I can think of with the mention of the 1st 8000, is the initial order in 1912 for the $5 and $10 gold coins was 8000 of each coin.
So was it possible that the Canadian mint had to send examples to The Royal Mint for inspection for quality etc.

The COA looks legit, I have emailed The Royal Mint asking for information hopefully they respond.
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 Posted 01/10/2015  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add torgemco to your friends list
In 1912, the same year that the famed Titanic sank roughly 900 kilometers off the coast of Newfoundland, the Dominion Government ordered 8,000 five-dollar gold coins, and 8,000 10-dollar gold coins minted. By the end of that summer, $600,000 worth of gold coins had been circulated to Assistant-Receivers General across Canada. Production of the gold coins continued until 1914.
I`m unsure how this really reads
don't know if they were ordered from The Royal Mint or not
http://www.mint.ca/store/product/19...6&lang=en_CA
the link is the page the quote is from
regards
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 Posted 01/10/2015  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add torgemco to your friends list
either way it looks like one
of only eight thousand originally
ordered/minted ?
hope you hear back from
The Royal Mint
regards
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