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12 Caesars' Set - Advice!

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 Posted 01/15/2015  06:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list
Just for information, lowest price estimate for portrait coins in VF condition given by Sear (latest edition):

Caligula denarius $2,240
Caligula provincial silver drachm $800
Caligul brass sestertius $1,200
Caligula copper as $400

Claudius denarius $1,040
Claudius provincial silver didrachm $960
Claudius brass sestertius $640
CLaudius copper as $200

Maybe with patience you could get a respectable coin lower than those quoted estimates, but it is clear that what 'FVRIVS RVFVS' said is a valid point.

Plus, the majority of the coins in the set quoted in the op are less than VF.
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Canada
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 Posted 01/15/2015  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list
Thanks FR and Medieval...! Very nice set FR - did you find most of these on the 'good' auction sites individually?
Great information Medieval - that gives me a solid starting point.
I'm going to see what I have when those unattributed denarii arrive...I'm hoping that I have at least a few of the 12 to start with.
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 Posted 01/15/2015  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list
You are welcome - if you are on a mission to select the most pleasing reverses for your set, you should consider buying the first volume of Sear's 'Roman Coins' (covers all up to AD96), the approximate $100 investment should be worth it.
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 Posted 01/16/2015  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list
I'm just looking at his site now...there seem to be 5 volumes. I'll look for this on Amazon.
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 Posted 01/16/2015  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list
Wouldnt be it more fun (and probably cheaper) to buy these 12 emperors separate? Just give yourself more time and pick these coins 1 by 1
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 Posted 01/16/2015  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list
Dutch - my hope was that buying them 'in bulk' so to speak, that it might be easier to get somewhat of a deal...plus if I could find one very good supplier that was reliable, it'd be less likely that I'd end up with a fake. But I'm guessing that neither is necessarily the case...!
I think I will try to collect them one at a time now....haha so you will likely be seeing a number of posts from me seeking counsel!

As an aside, I think that a lot of posters here are American or Canadian. I don't know if anyone has tried this before, but I found a few sites where you can go on 'metal detecting holidays' in the UK, or mainland Europe. I went to Glasgow for a conference a few months ago, and nearly took a side trip to try one of these:

http://www.colchestertreasurehuntin....uk/home.htm

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01/16/2015 2:30 pm
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 Posted 01/16/2015  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list

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there seem to be 5 volumes


Yes, I am waiting for the last one to be available on the market (should be any time soon).

For your specific endeavour you would need only volume one, but if you are going to expand your collection well beyond that, the complete set is certainly a good reference. For that you might want to wait for the promised boxed set though, since you have no volume so far.
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 Posted 01/16/2015  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list
hmmmm Ok thanks, I'll see if I can contact him and see if can give any estimated date of the full 5-volume set being released.
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 Posted 01/16/2015  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
The whole 5 volume set is a rather extensive reference. Unless you really need that much information an older edition (much less thorough) can be had for around $25. It will cover all the common types with many of the harder to find things too.
The prices are well out of date but the first "new" one came out 15 years ago so those prices are a bit iffy themselves. With ancients no price guide can ever really be accurate anyway. Too many variables.

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 Posted 01/16/2015  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list
Agree that the new edition is quite extensive, the big advantage of it is that there are a lot of pictures integrated in the text, so you can see the type. While the prices always have to be taken with a grain of salt, the ones given in the new edition at least give an indication (and relations between various issues of the same period).
Personally I like references I can put my hands on, but if 'markbaer' does not want to go well outside the 12 Caesars then obtaining the whole set is probably not worthwhile. But still would consider the money for volume one well spend for a journey to obtain the 12 Caesars on a one-by-one basis.
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 Posted 01/16/2015  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list
I'm generally the goal-oriented type, so after the 12 Caesars set (assuming I can actually build one that is!), I would love to keep going and build as extensive of a collection as possible. I have a library room in my house, so it would make a nice addition to it. I ended up emailing David Sear to see if he could tell me when his box set will be released...I'll let you guys know what he says if he replies.
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 Posted 01/16/2015  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list
If you want to establish a nice reference library for Roman coinage, then the 5 volume set is an excellent start. To make it complete you will have to think also about Roman Provincial coinage though. While Sear's "Greek Imperial Coinage" is quite good, you might want to look at Ivan Varbanov's "Greek Imperial Coins". Unfortunately only the first three volumes have so far been translated into English (those cover very extensively Dacia, Moesia, Thrace and Macedonia), with the fourth volume only in Bulgarian so far - also wonder how well the Alexandrian issues are covered in that one.
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 Posted 01/17/2015  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list
Thanks Medieval. I heard back from David Sear - he said that his publishers are actively looking into creating the box set, but they have an obstacle of size and weight. But he said that they'll surely overcome it. In the meantime, I may just order the first book or two to begin with. He seems like a class act though...even offered some assistance which is great!
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 Posted 01/17/2015  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list
In that case I would recommend that you only order the first one for now. You can then later decide if you add volume by volume or want the boxed set (selling one volume is easier than more). Volume one covers everything for your first adventure and with the book in hand you can decide if that is the style to put into your library or if you rather rely on other references for other coins.
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 Posted 02/03/2015  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list
Out of interest...the 12 Caesars set from ebay just had its price chopped in half:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12152093631...refresh=true
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