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Thank-you Med, Augustus (and others). Not quite what I thought I had, but nice coins, anyway. Med, Thanks for the Sears attributions and the Wildwinds tip. I did go there, but I didn't see what you saw. (Now I do.)  |
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Surprised that you are still up T.C. . In the end you still have two very nice coins ! Congrats !
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Human nature hasn't really changed much I guess. Sounds like a plot of a soap opera or perhaps "Housewives of Ancient Rome" Interedting stuff.
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Not quite what I thought I had, but nice coins, anyway. Actually, when you read the top of the Wikipedia article from which you copied in the op, you will realise that the second coin is from her daddy, namely Cato the Younger. And from the article on him you notice that the first coin is from her grandfather - so in some regards you got more (in a good sense) than you expected. |
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Med, When you say that coin #1 is her Grandfather, do you hold with that or are you referring to 'Cato the Elder' 234-149 BC, who (it is stated) was her father's Great Grandfather and would therefore be her Great Great Grandfather?
(Oh, yes A.M.. I was up at 1:40 am because I was working on trying to identify a coin for PishPash, but I am afraid tiredness beat me in the end.)
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01/19/2015 9:23 pm
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One must love Cato the Elder and his catchphrase -"Carthago delenda est" Carthage must be Destroyed !  Quote:
but I am afraid tiredness beat me in the end. The price us coin collectors pay for knowledge . |
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There are too many people with the same name for my liking.
One refernce I have has 'Cato the Younger' as Porcia's Brother, and another has him as her Father.
If he was born in 95 BC and she was born in 70 BC it is (more) likely that he was her Father, but when you look up 'Cato The Younger' under 'Biography' you find
Biography[edit]
Early life[edit]
Cato was born in 95 BC in Rome, the son of Marcus Porcius Cato and his wife Livia Drusa. His parents died when he was young, and he was cared for by his maternal uncle Marcus Livius Drusus, who also looked after Quintus Servilius Caepio, . . . . . . . . . as well as Porcia (Cato's full sister), . . . . .
Can you clear this up for me please?
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Maybe 'Augustus_Maximus' is the one to sort this out for you, he knows the Roman gossip better than anyone else here - was Porcia the Kim Kardashian of her days?
NB: Until other overwhelming evidence comes to light, I stick to the grandfather, father, Porcia line.
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01/20/2015 12:31 am
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Thank-you Arnoldoe.
Let me see if I now have it.
Now we have Portia Catonis, wife of Brutus, daughter of Marcus Porcius Cato (Uticensis), aka 'Cato the Younger' (coin #2), Grand-daughter of the 'moneyer' Marcius Porcius Cato (coin #1).
Does this reflect the history (progression) of the coins and Portia correctly, anyone?
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Okay . The Romans named there kids using a method called the tria nomina ( or three names) The first was the Praenomen - or name chosen by the parents . The nomen - Name of the family or "race" ex the Fabii or Claudians. Next was the Cognomen- an equivalent of a nick name ex. Scipio Assina or ( not a very nice word :) )
Now to Porcia Catonis . She was the daughter of Cato the Younger , the Senator who committed suicide after Julius Caesar bested the republicans and Pompey .
Her aunt also shared her name . ( this is confusing but common , just think about the Julio-Claudians ex Drusus son of Livia then Drusus son of Tiberius then Drusus son of Germanicus )
Now Marcus Porcius Cato Salonianus the Younger was Cato the youngers father. That makes Portia Catonis the great granddaughter of Cato the Elder . If you have any other questions please feel free to ask.
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01/20/2015 2:12 pm
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Thanks, A.M. We named our son (Praenomen) after his (paternal) Grandfather, but we gave him a different middle name (Cognomen). (this allows for clear identifying in the family tree). Back to Porcia. you say Great Grand-daughter of Cato the Elder, but isn't she the Great, Great Grand-daughter - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_t...#Family_tree |
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I think you are correct ( was going by memory ) . This type of naming method ceased in the 4th century .
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