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Canada
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It's not a rub down. Just a very weak strike. Not usually seen on coppers but very common on 1922-36 Nickels.  to CCF. Edited by wireman09
02/12/2015 6:16 pm
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I think I wud not agree with that statement but anyway even if it did so from that reason it is still not right no?
Charlton guy he said that the ms63 coin it will have " no traces of ware " and that when " the band an jewel have lost round contours and they are flattened " well then it is for sure only ef40 grades.
I asking you that if you bought this one here an it come like that if you would be happy youo paid it for the ms63 huh?
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Taiwan
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A coin can and will be graded as unc. if
the luster is there.Remember luster trumps
other attributes when determining an unc.
coin. Do not confuse price with grade. All
63's are not equal as this example clearly
demonstrates.
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Canada
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I say that the pictures were taken through 2x plastic! and that will / should stop anyone from making such a statement unless you are absolutely sure.
IF you guys are so sure, please, please let us know why and your reasons.
Just to say it is dipped, is not a real good and convincing answer. Is it now?.
Maybe I will do a test soon with you and see how many of you will recognize a dipped coin through 2x plastic. I have seen this happen many times now and have kept my cool about it but I feel like it needs to mentioned. Why is it, that everytime, someone has a conflicting opinion with you, that you feel the need to verbally attack them? You've done it many times, especially when people have disagreed with you regarding the grade on coins. I'm not looking to pick a fight here but please understand that this is a forum dedicated to learning and because of the subjective nature of coins and con grading, there is likely to be a conflict of opinions. However, as long as we keep our arguments civil we'll continue to work effectively to promote a learning environment which I feel is the goal of CCF. -zx Edited by zxcccxz
02/13/2015 12:53 am
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Australia
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First of all, dipping is not cleaning.
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 Canada
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Trout you are correct that dipping is cleaning. If it is done once or twice properly no one can really tell. The OP coin is a very good example of what happens when a coin becomes way over dipped. With experience it becomes easy to tell an over dipped coin, they just have THE LOOK no matter how many sheets of clear plastic you look through.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Trout1105:
the reason I say dipping is not cleaning is this......
Theoretically, you are correct, dipping is a form of cleaning, but in the case of grading a coin, dipping cannot be equated with cleaning.
Why? Because if the grading companies viewed dipping as cleaning, then 95% of all 'white' silver coins would be bodybagged as 'details grade'.
This is why I stress the difference between dipping (which is market and grading acceptable) and cleaning (which is not accepted in the grading and markets).
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Canada
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You Guys talk about dipping , In what may I ask?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2495 Posts |
In a chemical 'dip' solution that removes tarnish and toning from silver.
A jar of this dip can be purchased at most coin shops.
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Valued Member
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I total agree with the 2xeagle guy about the dip is not the same as the clean. But be reall caredful about how strong the dip and how long the dip or else you can make a coin lookd very bad and cant not fix it again!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Copper coins can also be dipped, but that is beyond my expertise.....
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
955 Posts |
A interesting and thought provoking thread. THIS is why I joined CCF.
``beauty is in the eye`s of the beholder`` could`nt ring truer.
Personally,I think cleaning(moderately) should have no baring on the value of any coin.
just my opinion
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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before deciding if "cleaning" is acceptable or not you have to define what 'cleaning' is. to me bad cleaning is #1 anything abrasive #2 anything that looks unnatural "good cleaning" would be a single dip (silver) or acetone rinse (silver or copper) or perhaps applying verdi-gone (to treat verdigris) because I focus on circulated non-silver tokens around 200 years old it is hard to find pieces that haven't had a rub or "good cleaning" here and there. below (top row) are 2 examples of un-cleaned coins, one is acceptable and one is not. bottom row shows 2 "cleaned" coins, again, one is acceptable and one is not (for the record the bottom right is cleaned & is in my collection and will be for a long time).  Edited by Wade
03/17/2015 01:46 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
840 Posts |
Concerning the 1916:
I agree with the MS grade, yet is should have been
noted as being a weak strike. The dot within the Maltese
Cross is clear, the hemisphere of the glove is clear, the
designers initials are crisp, etal. The grade is determined
by the propoundence of evidence, not one mere area. The fields
are clear of circulation marks (bag marks, etc) which would
be evident on lesser grades.
doug
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Although ICCS will not detail a dipped coin as "cleaned", they do tend to net grade over dipped coins. ICCS also seems to give high marks for quality of fields, especially on the Obverse even if the details are good.
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