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When The End Of The Cent Is Near.....

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 Posted 01/22/2015  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
I am now saving any nice Canadian Cents I find, since they're "homeless"...

The Cent's main 'value' nowadays is to keep you from getting any more of them back in change, ie. if you're diligent when you pay cash, you should never have more than four One Cent coins (or one Nickel) in your pocket. I'm diligent enough to keep it to 9 cents or less, and extra Nickels only if they're Westward Journey series...
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 Posted 01/23/2015  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add perfessor to your friends list
I started saving all of the cents and nickels that I received in change years ago because I thought they would be worth more than face value eventually. But recently I have realized that zincolns will probably never be worth more than 1 cent each, so I have cashed in almost $100 worth in the past 2 months. They do add up (and I have plenty more). I still keep the copper cents, but the money I received from cashing in the others will buy some more COINS! It's a win-win for me. I am saving space in my house and I get more coins. Who can argue with that?

And Jbuck, I agree with you 100%. Eventually the U.S. will stop minting cents for circulation. Who knows when...
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 Posted 01/23/2015  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I don't have the receipts but I have bank wth RBFCU which offers 10cent cash back on all qualifiying purchases. Say that each purchase was $10.099 I got to round down and pocket the difference of 10cent which help me earn my 2014 year end $80 rewards. Now take half, we get $40. Rounding up and down cause me $40 gain or lost which is about half a days work for me, time I can spend with my family. What about you, how much will you lose or gain? Some people might take 1hr to make $40 or 5hours...
No, you still do not understand. You cannot round or estimate based on the grand total of all your receipts. You cannot just say that each purchase is the same (they are not). You have to properly round the totals on each and every receipt. Some will round up, some will round down. Until you do that, it will probably not make sense. Trust me, I am not out to get you. I am far from rich. I would love an extra $40. But I understand how it works and understand that it is not going to break me.
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 Posted 01/23/2015  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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If I own a business and rounds down 3cents from $1.03 to $1.00 for a yearly sale of $1milkion I lose $30,000. If I round up to $1.05, I've made an extra $20,000 but the customers lost $20,000 from their purchasing power.

This will be true IF you have a million customers each buying one single item for $1. Once they start buying more than one item at a time it changes. You said the tax rate was 8.25% so if they buy

1 item price $1.08 rounds to $1.10 customer loses 2 cents
2 item Price $2.17 rounds to $1.15 customer gains 2 cents
3 items Price $3.25 rounds to $3.25 customer breaks even
4 items Price $4.33 rounds to $4.35 customer loses 2 cents
5 items Price $5.41 rounds to $5.40 customer gains 1 cent
6 items Price $6.50 rounds to $6.50 customer breaks even
7 items Price $7.58 rounds to $7.60 customer loses 2 cents
8 items Price $8.66 rounds to $8.65 customer gains 1 cent
9 items Price $9.74 rounds to $9.75 customer loses 1 cent
10 items Price $10.83 rounds to $10.85 customer loses 2 cents

So if you have ten customers who each made one of the above transactions the total win/lose would be a loss of 5 cents on 55 items purchased. (By the way if one person bought all 55 items he would only lose 1 cent.)

Under the current system if you had ten customers each making one of the above purchases and rounding to the cent the net win/loss is 3 cents lost.

So rounding to the closest 5 cent resulted in the loss of an additional 2 cents total among ten customers buying 55 items.
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 Posted 01/23/2015  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Celticsoul to your friends list

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I smell the scent of the government not making sense in keeping the cent in circulation.

When has the government ever made sense?
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 Posted 01/24/2015  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list
I already round to five cent increments. I ask cashiers not to give me cents and if I get them I throw them in charity boxes or leave them at the register. They are corroded inconviences. The nickel I don't mind as much, but needs to retired bacuse it's just too expensive to manufacture.
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 Posted 01/24/2015  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coincollector110 to your friends list
I agree, pennies may be corroded, but every one counts in my opinion, I wrapped $4 in pennies today and I oppose eliminating the penny from circulation, because THEN you have the government sending mail to everyone asking for their pennies and paying for the melting cost. So I don't think it's gonna happen.
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 Posted 01/24/2015  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list
Even if the cent was eliminated and the government asked for people to turn them in, there would still be people that would ignore that and hold on to them.


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 Posted 01/24/2015  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add iamwayne to your friends list
Getting rid of the pennies means that inflation have taken over the currency and requires the decimal point be to move over making cents useless... Nickels becomes the only fraction for dimes, math... .5cent+.5cent=1cent (1700s-1800s) Getting rid of pennies to use $0.05+$0.05=1dime nickels become new new Half Cent...

Currency is a object to conduct mathematical transactions, i.e. Abacus

You can change the composition of a coin to "save production cost" but getting rid of it completely means inflation. Instead of of adding a 0(moving a decimal point right by printing/coining higher denominations) you move decimal point left and make the drop the lowest denominator.

Don't know if I make sense, my wife stares at me and smile and I try to say stuff like this until I'm able to show her.
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 Posted 01/25/2015  05:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Getting rid of the pennies means that inflation have taken over the currency

Inflation has taken over the currency whether you get rid of the cent or not. Continuing to make it just means wasting more money producing something worth less than it costs to make.


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You can change the composition of a coin to "save production cost" but getting rid of it completely means inflation

The problem is it doesn't matter what you make it from you will still be losing money to make them. And getting rid of them won't cause any more inflation than we are already experiencing.
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 Posted 01/25/2015  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CL_ to your friends list
Perhaps politicians are just afraid to tell the population that we are getting rid of pennies. As is evident in this thread, it would be a common misconception that "inflation is rampant," thus impacting the economy simply due to the uninformed public. The news would have a field day: "Well it goes to show that a cent isn't what it used to be. The treasury has decided to eliminate the cent, triggering fears that the US dollar is giving in to inflation."
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 Posted 01/25/2015  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list
The composition for the 5 cent pieces now is 75% copper, 25% nickel

Question Why couldn't it be altered to 70% copper, 25% nickel and 5% zinc?

Just thinking out loud here.
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 Posted 01/26/2015  04:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Why do that? It wouldn't affect the cost of the five cent piece that much, and the nickel in the coin is a higher priced metal than the copper.

Also since the density of zinc is significantly lees than copper either the weight of the coin would decrease or it would have to be larger to keep the weight the same.
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01/26/2015 04:05 am
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 Posted 01/26/2015  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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... I oppose eliminating the penny from circulation, because THEN you have the government sending mail to everyone asking for their pennies and paying for the melting cost..
It is funny because it is conceivably true.


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The problem is it doesn't matter what you make it from you will still be losing money to make them. And getting rid of them won't cause any more inflation than we are already experiencing.
Truth.


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Perhaps politicians are just afraid to tell the population that we are getting rid of pennies.
As I said before, the politicians do not keep the cent for fear of the people. They keep the cent for fear of the zinc lobby. They know the cent is worthless, but they also know that lobbyists pay the bills. Trust me, if the zinc lobby goes, so does the cent.
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 Posted 01/26/2015  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list
The Pro's and Con's on keeping the cents are amazing but I will exit this thread with one thing I must say before I depart...as my mentor Ben Franklin is credited with saying "A penny saved is a penny earned.".....he he....later!
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