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 Posted 01/24/2015  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add One50 to your friends list
Not to confuse anyone.
Just to reiterate above.
Top photo is sellers
Bottom photo is mine duplicating sellers depth via "trickery"

Below here is a closer representation of what I see with the naked eye and my loop.
This photo was taken while in the flip.
But it's as close as I can get to the actual feel for the coin. It's simply lost all of it's depth and is a "typical" cent.

I look at this as a small case study

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 Posted 01/24/2015  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
I question whether it's the same coin. Think about returning it. On second thought I think it is the same coin. I'd return it anyway.
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 Posted 01/24/2015  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
It's clearly the same coin. I don't think the seller's photo is misleading either; it's a nice and honest photo that highlights some minor flaws (spots and things) that are harder to see in your other photos.
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 Posted 01/24/2015  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
An example of why I greatly prefer buying coins in hand as opposed to the internet. I had a feeling people were getting far too excited in the grading forum. I question the obverse surfaces, it may have had a light cleaning.

In general, 1911's have decent strikes. The master dies were only a couple of years old and still producing nice beard detail. Here's a brown 1911 I own, with the right angle and light, you can see the fine detail. The bottom picture is the one I used to buy it over the web.


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 Posted 01/24/2015  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Celticsoul to your friends list

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So with this coin I lost some pride and gained some experience.

The experience is invaluable. I hope one did not pay TOO much for the coin.
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 Posted 01/24/2015  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Well, the detail shown in the seller's images is there. That's how the camera can depict it....

If you look at it under light and optics optimized for your specific personal eyes, you'll see that detail too. It's the blessing and the curse of digital photography, the emphasis it gives details.

It's still an unbelievable strike.
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 Posted 01/25/2015  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list
I agree with SsuperDdave.

It's not really "trick" photography.

It's just a photograph with unusual lighting and contrast emphasis.

If the seller had added details that are not actually on the coin, that would be a problem, but with this, (just an example) you could display it under a lamp at a certain angle, so that all that sharpness of strike is always visible.
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 Posted 01/25/2015  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
All are exactly why I only purchase coins at coin shows. If I can't see exactly what I'm buying, I wouldn't buy it.
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 Posted 01/26/2015  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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An example of why I greatly prefer buying coins in hand as opposed to the internet.

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All are exactly why I only purchase coins at coin shows.
Agreed with both.
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 Posted 02/23/2015  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluesharktooth to your friends list
I think that is a great looking coin... Great buy!
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 Posted 02/23/2015  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list

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On second thought I think it is the same coin. I'd return it anyway

On what grounds? The seller posted a clear good quality photo. Obviously the photo is repeatable, since the buyer did just that. There is no deception, no manipulation here. It's a nice coin, condition is as shown. Is the seller supposed to use crappy out-of-focus photos? I'd rather see this kind of sharp detailed photography than a fuzzy non-macro cheap cellphone pic any day.
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 Posted 02/24/2015  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add One50 to your friends list
So with my novice experience I must humbly apologize to the seller. I did keep the coin, I did not leave A++ fantastic review for him, but it was not negative either.

I keep this coin on my desk and look at it every night to fully understand what makes an early LWC and good strike.

My disappointment stemmed from the fact that my naked eye does not see that detail upon which I was expecting to get when purchasing this coin. I fully expected this piece to look like the picture with no loupe and no fancy lights.

New guy on the block here now understands a few more things about coinage and collecting.

That's why I chose CCF as my home, because you all have wonderful insight

Thanks
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 Posted 02/24/2015  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list

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That's why I chose CCF as my home, because you all have wonderful insight

That's a great post post, One50. Why else do we all participate in conversation on a daily basis but to learn and to rub virtual shoulders with fellow collectors? I learn many things daily from reading all the insightful posts here.

Have you spoken with the seller since the purchase?

And do I think you picked up a nice LWC there.
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 Posted 02/26/2015  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list
Honestly, One50 that is one doggone nice early Wheatie. It has great detail and is in fantastic shape for being 104 years old, you know? So, you've learned about digital photography now; it shows things sometimes not clear to the naked eye, and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with fancy lights or trickery. Camera type and settings, video chipset that processed the original photo, your video chip that reproduced it and the monitor you display it on can all effect how you see it. If you are shopping on a tablet or god forbid a smartphone, all video integrity can go out the window. It's a tough call, and even tougher when you remember how much can effect what you see with your eye. Even your lighting on your monitor and the light in the room you are in can mess with how it appears to you.
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 Posted 02/28/2015  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list
I think the coin and One50 are both keepers.
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