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1984 One Cent Mint Error, What's It Worth? Pics Included

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 Posted 10/23/2007  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I wasn't bashing him in anyway I was just wondering about the image name, when I first saw the image name I thought he had already sent it in to be graded or he bought it graded and cracked it out. Of course that is before I saw it on Heritage then started wondering why the name of the image was "my coin" when it is in fact not his coin. Sorry if it looked as if I was questioning the authenticity of the coin or anything else it was just a random question that popped in my mind when I saw it on Heritage
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 Posted 10/23/2007  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mespe to your friends list
Thank you Bobby,,, I have put up with a lot of heckling. I spent HOURs surfing looking for anyting close to my coin's appearance. I am thick headed, am I not. I spent hours looking at the coin through high power magnification. I tired duplicating the coin. All proved to me that my coin is really a mint error.

The only problem I have is that the "other" coin sold Over the 4th of July weekend and most likely didn't get the attention that ebay offers.

Only the final ding will determine what this coin is truly worth, UNSLABBED, but with a guarantee that it could be slabbed.

ps this is the FIRST and only coin I've tried selling ebay or otherwise, it IS as I've stated from the very beginning, and I might even through in the little plastic bag that I've had it stored in,,,
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 Posted 10/23/2007  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mespe to your friends list
Bryan

Because the image resides on my cluttered desktop,,,
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 Posted 10/23/2007  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Bryan I know you weren't bashing him, he been getting it other places though.
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 Posted 10/24/2007  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mespe to your friends list
I appologize if I upset anyone in my quest for fairly representing the coin that I have for sale on ebay. I had no ill intentions, simply wanted to better describe the item I was selling. I am by no means a coin dealer, most of my ebay sales involve Quality Pre-Owned Mercedes parts that I have personally removed from vehicles purchased by myself.
Since my livelihood is Mercedes based, naturally I'm a member of Mercedes forums. One thing I must admit, when I sell a Mercedes (usually for a friend) the members on the Mercedes forum offer suggestions and recommendations as to improving the appeal of the ebay listing.
Here (and to some degree) in other coin forums, I get a felling that members seem to be jealous or maybe over protective of their self-interests over other member's coins that are on the block.
In all reality, if a coin is at auction and you can add info or background info about it when asked, the whole Coin World would benefit by this sharing of info by commanding higher sales prices. But alas, this industry has a plethora of "stinking badges" (certification houses), each with it's own following and grading scale and as many differing opninions about coins that the people in the business need to be cut-throat to survive.
Every dealer buying coins to resell, must buy low and sell high to survive. It's all a matter about timing and who wants to buy what coin when.
Hope I haven't offended anyoen in this post, I'm just trying to figure out why one forum is so helpful and one not,,, that's all.
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 Posted 10/25/2007  02:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list
One of the major concerns for me is that with coins, unless the coin is in hand in order to view it personally, what we say here is a best guess. A best guess based upon a picture may or may not be correct. It is not as cut and dry as listing parts for automobiles where a wheel cover for a 1963 Buick Wildcat can be identified by it's look, for example.

If you list a coin and add my description of what a coin might be, that lends credence to the listing even though the best guess may be wrong in some cases.

Some of us are published authors and our opinions hold some weight in the coin field. You can be sure that if our best guess was used in an ad by someone else to sell a coin and the best guess was incorrect, the buyer of your coin would be looking to us for answers as we can easily be found with a few well placed words in a google search bar.

For some of us, our credibility is at stake. I am not willing to jeopardize it. You didnt upset anyone, but I wouldn't want to be responsible for someone getting a coin that may not be what it is listed as based upon a description I might give, based upon a picture and not the actual coin.

With what you do for example, If I posted a picture of a fender from a 1968 Mercedes and you said, "Well, It looks like it could be" and I used your words to sell my fender which really is a fender from a 1967 Mercedes, the first thing I might use as a reason for the "mistake" was that you said it was from a 1968. It's just a tricky position to be in. I hope you understand. We offer assistance in helping collectors learn about what they have but at least what I post is not intended to be used as sales material on an ebay item that isn't mine.
Thanks,
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10/25/2007 03:00 am
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 Posted 10/25/2007  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
quote:
I would like to quote some of the posts on this forum for my ebay listing. Since I have limited knowledge as to the qualities of this coin, I'd appreciate if I could quote the members here anonymously. If you object, please feel free to edit the post that I quoted to delete it.


Mespe, I've tried to be on your side but I can't be 100% any more.

I see a lot of wrong in this. The correct thing to do would have been to ask first if you could quote them. You came here looking for opinions from pictures, then holding members to it by posting quotes in your listing without even asking. Then you basically say "If you don't like it, delete your post then." Pretty nasty.

I also notice in the quotes at the top all the qualifiers like "In my opinion" or "judging from the pictures" have all been completely left out. The rest of the quotes are all buried in smaller print in the middle of a very long paragraph at the bottom. Pretty sneaky but not fooling me.

Then you try to get members and staff to remove references to evidence of past sales of this exact same coin so that you can possibly get more for it.

Sorry but we are here to serve the Coin Community as a whole, not your wallet.
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 Posted 10/25/2007  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mespe to your friends list
I now understand Bobby, I really wish I hadn't quoted anyone. It was an err of judgement on my part. Had I not placed the $20 featured listing bet with ebay, I would consider canceling the auction and cleaning it up a bit. You'll notice I wasn't to good with the overly large picture, I should have spent some time and done it right. Haste makes waste, well in this case haste makes some want to shower and scrub down with a wire bursh,,,
My past experience with the Mercedes forum was completely different, as far as opinions, but that's another story,,,
I am thankful though that the quotes got all mushed up and don't flow good making them hard to read,,,
Sneaky, I don't think so, once someone posts something to a forum, it's public record, did anyone mind me posting a link to this thread? I did however have the thoughtfulness to inform members that my error in judgement might want to be cleaned up,,,
Actually in re-reading the quotes, I think it mostly is informative and will probably increase the number of forum members,,,
Most of the discussion was about how the coin might have been made, how coins are minted, different errors about coins,,, it wasn't 10,000 this coin is a "one-of-a-kind, super-rare, extreme to the max error. Neato! " hype,,, it's mostly educational,,,
But none-the-less I shouldn't have pladgerized anyone on this forum.
Sorry
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 Posted 10/25/2007  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
quote:
Sneaky, I don't think so, once someone posts something to a forum, it's public record,


Public record, yes. Plagerizable, no. I've had ebay auctions taken down for copying content from here. This isn't the first time I've dealt with situations like this and it won't be the last.
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 Posted 10/25/2007  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Also FYI, you say in the listing.....
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As it turns out, this coin is a MAJOR DIE BREAK a much RARER coin then a Cud.

You do realize that this coin is a Cud right? A Cud is the result of a die break on the rim. All Cuds are die breaks.
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 Posted 10/25/2007  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mespe to your friends list
Well bobby, I really don't even think it is plagerizing, I did put every quote in quotation marks AND I referenced the quotes. However, I do feel at this time that my actions were indeed improper,,,
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 Posted 10/25/2007  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mespe to your friends list
All the knowledge, every last bit of it concerning error coins has been learned in the last 7 days or so. I had absolutely no idea what a Cud was, before I listed. One kind forum member recommended I use the word Cud in the item title. I quickly changed it (maybe a few minutes before the first bid) Then the learning started as my thread was posted to. Some of the things I said about the coin are incorrect, such as the last item you pointed out. Just shows my inexperience in dealing with "one-of-a-kind, super-rare, extreme to the max error. Neato!" I love that quote,,,
I tired, to the best of my ability, to accurately describe the coin. I even offer a guarantee that the coin will grade to be a mint error - AND - require no deposit from the winning bidder if teh price exceeds 10x the cost of the certification -AND - give the winning bidder the coin if it doesn't certify,,,
Seems to me like I'm going a bit overboard,,,
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 Posted 10/25/2007  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
I'd end the listing, get it certified, and start over.

I have a lot of experience on ebay and I'm telling you 99% of the visitors don't read a neat and tidy listing.... let alone one with all the additions, different fonts, unwieldy photos, confusing guarantees, and conflicting comments that your's has.
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 Posted 10/25/2007  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mespe to your friends list
You know, I'd hate to take a "one-of-a-kind, super-rare, extreme to the max error. Neato! " coin off the market and upset a bunch of bidders. I realize I may not get as much because it's not certified or graded, but since quite a few buyers took the time and iniative to bid, I really don't want to yank it away from them, like some other ebay sellers do because they're not happy with the price,,, this coin will sell, unless ebay pulls the listing.

p.s. I never was into being microsoft certified, but that didn't stop me from the IS field.
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 Posted 10/27/2007  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mespe to your friends list
T - one hour and 25 minutes and counting,,, $91.02,,,
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