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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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You should definitely get into British coins. Such a lot of history and great designs!
All the books mentioned above are great.
I don't know if you saw a previous link but I've got a British coin website up and running which although it doesn't have values of the coins it has many of the different coins pictured back until William and Mary 1689 (going back to Cromwellian coins soon though). It also contains a lot of information on each coin. Unfortunately I'm not aloud to post a link here but you will find it under the CoinsGB thread or by searching CoinsGb in google.
PS the forum is also up and running. You will learn a lot about British coins there and if you join you can post pictures and questions on it.
Regards, Hus
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Germany
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Personally as a british person I have found english coins to be quite boring, it all depends on what sort of collecting you like to do. I am a one of a kind sort of person, yet if you have one of a kind, you normally get very similar coins over a long period of time. There are lots of difference that can be frustrating (or exciting depending on your view), such as the george V portrait that "changed" when in reality all that happened was they moved the initials of the designer a little bit. I personally like a little more variety, other countries had a lot more termoil, germany with the nazi coins and also the coins of each kingdom, expensive as they are, within the german empire, and before. Spain's coinage has changed a lot over time, I think isabel II's coinage appears to be all over the place, with different designs and denominations every few years. It might be an idea to collect from a few european nations and see which one catches your eye, maybe british coins are your thing!
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United States
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It's a matter of interest and value for me. While I love early San Francisco mint quarters, they're pricy and I only turn up one or two a year I can afford. But it's a whole different matter with British, Spanish and French silver. There are lots of interesting coins available, many scarce by American standards, selling at 10-20% of comparable American denominations. Among the English coins:
-Hammered silver is spendy, but considering the price vs contemporary Pine Tree shillings, it's a steal. -Early 19th century shillings sell for a little over melt - comparable rarity US bust quarters sell for 20x as much.
Among the rest of the European coins, I like the silver crowns (English crown, French 5 franc, Netherlands 2.5 gulden, etc.). They sell as bullion, but to my mind they're all interesting as type coins. I also like the early modern French mintmarks - all the scarcity of cc's and the southern mints, but without the price markup. And a lot of these coins are very attractive - not so much the monarch obverses (the later Queen Victoria coins are hard to match for sheer ugliness) as the reverses with their shields, pillars and waves, dragons, etc.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 10/25/2007 4:54 pm
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United Kingdom
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They only sell as bullion in very low grades, of course...
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United States
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The bargain crowns are usually low grade, though I picked up an AU 1939 Dutch 2.5 gulden for $10 a couple weeks ago. And while not at melt level, the 19th century shillings mostly sell under $10 in F-VF, which is a bargain compared to most US seated and bust quarters of the same grade and rarity. The problem for me is finding dealers who carry much stock in the US. Mailing from the UK or Europe is expensive.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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(the later Queen Victoria coins are hard to match for sheer ugliness) as the reverses with their shields, pillars and waves, dragons, etc. This is an earlier Victoria Sovereign:  but I like the shield design as for the George and the dragon and Britannia designs. They are classic designs. The craftsmanship that has gone into the design. The fact that you can see all the muscles on the horse and rider (on the St.George and the dragon design). Anyway I do think that some of the said designs were used a lot and and so tend appear a lot. Thats maybe why some would find them boring. Have you ever checked out George III gilt proof coins and even Thomas Simons 1663 Petition Crown coin? In what other country can you find such well designed and produced coins for that period? In my view British coins were an innovation in design and so was the machinery used to produce the coins with.
Edited by hussulo 10/26/2007 2:02 pm
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United Kingdom
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An antique coin can be ugly?
never heard of it...
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United States
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The petition crowns are shockingly good looking, as is the young Victoria. I think for sheer butt ugliness that later busts of Louis XVI on French coins do beat sour looking old Victoria, by a bulbous nose....
I think that portrait coinage is unattractive in general. In its time and for certain monarchs (or presidents), it's OK. Elizabeth I, Henry VIII, Lincoln, fine. King George (pick any of them), Jefferson, Washington, er, I'd rather look at the reverse.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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United Kingdom
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I am also trying to collect english coins as well as american but I find myself already in a bit of a bind with both. I would like to collect the Lincoln wheat cents, not such a hard task for people in the states, as for being in england, popping down to the bank to get 50 rolls is impossible Also the same with english coins, you'd think being in england would help, but decimalisation in '71 means getting older coins from the bank ain't happening, So I have no idea where to start appart from ebay and coin dealers, I live in Surrey so does anyone know of any places I can go to maybe get a lot of old coins in bulk at all?
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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I'm still not allowed to post links but if you search numis.co.uk/bntalist. in Google you should get a list of all reputable coin dealers in the UK. Some of them will sell coins in bulk or should have bargain bins. Failing that you could try car boots and charity shops. The Duncannon Partnership 4 Beaufort Road, Reigate, Surrey Tel: 01737 244222 Fax: 01737 224743 Nigel Tooley Ltd. P.O. Box 91, Ashtead, Surrey, KT21 1YX Tel: 01372-278620 Fax: 01372-277800 Mark Rasmussen PO Box 42, Betchworth, Surrey, RH3 7YR Tel: 01737 841000 Fax: 01737 841000 KMCC Ltd PO Box 207, Tadworth, Surrey, KT20 6WE Tel: 01737 359648 Fax: 01737 359648 Graeme & Linda Monk P.O. Box 201, Croydon, Surrey, CR9 7AQ Tel: 020-8656-4583 Fax: 020-8656-4583 As for buying on ebay it can be fun but it can also be a mine field. I have always told any newcomer I have spoke to, do their research first, ask any questions on the likes of forums before buying on ebay or better yet buy from reputable dealers until they are more accomplished at grading and spotting fakes.
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Antique shops normally sell them...buckets of old penny's & shillings for you to wade through. Good place to kick off a collection.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Hey Huss, nice editors letter in Coin News on breaking into British slabbed coins and reslabbing for profit in America... just read it today :)
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Thanks Matt.
I'm not saying it goes on in a big scale and might not always work for every coin but, thats the problem when you have prices based on numbers. Even in America people crack out coins and resubmit them in the hopes of getting a higher score and thus more money when they next sell it.
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United Kingdom
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Hehe.. prices not based on numbers wouldn't that be odd? But yeah it is a funny goings-on and the point is to pay for what you believe the coin is worth rather than a fixed 'regime' of prices that people are maybe a little too obsessed with?... Would it not make better sense if the Americans stuck to grading their own coins? - not aiming to be rude to American buyers/sellers but it might be a solution to grade "World" coins according to the way they are graded by the country of production if there is this schism between the way the two grading systems work, what with the market being very bullish over there and coin prices/values being the highest...
Edited by NumisMattyUk 11/04/2007 11:51 am
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
91 Posts |
Your probably right Matt but where theres demand there is supply and up until CGS there were only US grading companies and don't forget there are a lot of US collectors that collect British coin whom like to get them slabbed. I can't really see them posting them to the UK to get them slabbed. It will be interesting to see the response to the letter next month. Theres bound to be someone disagreeing with me.
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