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Despite what everyone else is saying, in this case, it is not an "L". Look at the bottom edge of the ninth feather..see how it has a curved shape? On the 1864's with "L", the bottom edge of the feather will be straight, like you see on the other pennies in the picture (1888, 1906, etc). The bust is worn and a bit out of focus in this picture, so that is not a reliable marker. Keep up the hunt! :)
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What do you think Beaglebailey? Is what Mike1487 is saying true? Some of the message board posts I have been reading around are a bit confusing. Like is the 9th feather of this coin rounded? Should 1864-L look like all the coins post that year and regular 1864 look like pre-1864 coins? This is why I don't bother with them.
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03/16/2015 6:50 pm
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I don't think so, but you paid nearly nothing for it. I'd be more interested to see if that 1888 is an 8/7. I doubt it, but I can't tell from the pictures.
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I am confused about the "rounded 9th feather" because I look at some post 1864 coins with rounded feathers and pre-1864 with feathers more flat. Best to dismiss it. Maybe this 1888 is a thing huh? Something in the loops of the 8 who knows?   |
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Here's a more detailed explanation buddy16cat, There are a few easy ways to identify the no-L from the with-L. In my post above, I was being more general talking about how the with-L should look more like post 1864 IHCs, and the no-L looking like pre 1864 IHCs. Here are some specifics. 1.) Shape of edge of ninth feather.  The 1864 No-L on the left has a very curved feather, while the 1864 With-L on the right has a nearly straight feather. Now there ARE some 1864 With-L die pairs that have a more rounded feather, but not to the degree of the No-L. See below.  Yes, it is curved, but not as much as the No-L. 2.) Lower hair curls.  The 1864 No-L on the left has the hair curls looping back in towards the bust, while the 1864 With-L on the right has the hair curls pointing more downwards - they do not loop back into the bust. This feature is just like all post 1864 IHCs. 3.) Shape of nose.  The 1864 No-L on the left has a shape just below the nose sort of resembling a "7". It is a very sharp curve as you can see. The 1864 With-L on the right has a very gradual curve just below the nose, just like all post 1864 IHCs do. This is always true for the 1864 With-L. These features are easier to pick out than the "L" on worn examples as they are basic characteristics of the devices. Hope you find this information useful. I do have a lot of knowledge on IHCs as it is pretty much all I collect. -Mike |
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'Mike, those examples with pics are just awesome. Thanks for the info.
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  The nose thing is really easy to see. I'm bookmarking this. Edited by edweather
03/17/2015 12:20 am
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Here's a more detailed explanation Wow Mike, I thought I was pretty well versed on IHC but I was not aware of these other design changes. I tried to reference the information in your post, but I was unable to find anything, not even in Snow's attribution guide. Can you tell me where you referenced this information? |
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Wow Mike I learn something from this forum every day.
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Can you tell me where you referenced this information? I may have read about the lower hair curls somewhere, but I don't remember. This is mostly just my own observations. I would buy 1864's and hope to get the With-L version - a few times I was wrong so I wanted to find out why. Had to look for other differences. |
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But if these are intentional design changes, there has to be some reference material somewhere, and I am surprised that nowhere, that I am aware of, does Snow mention these changes as a way of attributing the difference between the 'L' and 'no L design.
I am not questioning what you have found, I am just surprised I cannot find any information on these changes.
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Here is a better pic of the coin in question. Do you still see an "L". I am now more confused about this coin than before after reading certain things. I have looked at pics before and after 1864 to see if it coincides with the things I have read. I have seen coins before and after 1864 that have more rounded last leaves. I can understand why some simply do not purchase the coin without the "L". As mike stated though that these are based on his own observations and not in any guide materials. I on the other hand have a pic of 1861 coin that is more flat and pics of after 1864 that is more rounded. That is if it is true that the "L" coin looks like coins after 1864 which is just something on the Internet and not in any guide which may mean it is noise.   Edited by buddy16cat
03/21/2015 12:25 am
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With these new pictures, you can clearly see the rounded bust, which means it is a No-L. The other markers I mentioned above also support this.
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Yes, I have to agree. The new pics. are much clearer than the orig. pics. and the rounded bust is quite evident. What initially appeared to be an 'L' to me obviously is not.  |
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I have a pointed bust with an L shaped lump that as a kid I fooled myself into believing it was an L. It kinda looks like the supposed L on this coin. Sorry.
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