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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I think the heat was intentional, in order to get that counterstamp on the reverse. The Zia sun symbol isn't a counterstamp, it's actually part of the design for this particular State Quarter. 
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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My initial thought was bench grinder but the marks don't quite add up. Maybe it is some kind of Dryer Coin as Cascade suggests... the edge looks turned up like it's been rolling around for a while. But as everyone else has said, definitely PMD regardless of how it happened. Boy that AZ quarter sure looks good in the proof you posted, Rollsearcher37! Oh and  , jmccans!
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote:The Zia sun symbol isn't a counterstamp, it's actually part of the design for this particular State Quarter. It would be if it weren't incuse. It's only incuse on the actual coin in outline; what's incuse in this coin was field-level on the original. This was deliberate.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: t would be if it weren't incuse. It's only incuse on the actual coin in outline; what's incuse in this coin was field-level on the original. This was deliberate. I see no additional alterations either,(besides what damaged the rest of the coin). Definitely not a counterstamp.
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Moderator
 United States
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OK, so can we get off my unfortunate choice of one single word to decide what it is?
We can start with it's certainly a New Mexico Quarter. The proportions and position measure correctly. But somebody had to create that look to the sun glyph deliberately.
Unless, of course, on the real coin - I don't have one handy - the whole center of the glyph is incuse and it's just finished in two different styles at depth. If someone can inform me that's the case, we can probably conclude it was pretty thoroughly heated, maybe sitting on top of a pipe or something to explain the ring on the obverse. Can't be acid; the features would all remain, just lower on the coin.
There is entirely too much jumping to quick decisions around here. Some of you get that, and are looking at everything even if the cause seems obvious. Those of you doing that are getting credit for discoveries.
If it takes me being publicly wrong once a day to make you take fresh looks at every single coin posted, most especially the ones which are obvious to you, well, I'll be wrong.
There is a method to my wrongness. I'm making you think.
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Valued Member
United States
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It's definitely some type of PMD (Post Mint Damage)
Edited by DaSlayer 04/17/2015 5:38 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
12839 Posts |
@DaSlayer - THAT we all agree on.  @SsuperDdave - Looking at a NM quarter now under magnification... the glyph is indeed incuse.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Looking at a NM quarter now under magnification... the glyph is indeed incuse. As in, the interior of the glyph, the part in field finish, is incuse and below field level? If that be the case, then, I will be completely wrong here and all we have to do is determine the mechanism of the damage. I got someone to study. That's worth the damage to my reputation.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Just looked again and it sure looks that way, SsuperDdave, but I don't have a tool to measure it other than my calibrated eyeball. IMO if the glyph were some how altered, the care required to deepen the grooves in a fashion so true to the original lines clashes with the overall condition of the coin.
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Part of my problem is always wanting to see the spiritual aspect of things, and for some that symbol is the foundation of their spirituality. It may well be that they feel it desecration to put it on a coin.
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New Member
 United States
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So we are calling this PMD?
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Quote:So we are calling this PMD? There was never any doubt whatsoever that it's PMD. It's so obvious as to go without saying, except most of the posters said it anyway just in case. The only argument has been how deliberate it was. 
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Rest in Peace
United States
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SsuperDdave No damage, it was all educational.
I had to read, reread, and look and look, but I finally got it. So, thanks.
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Quote: I had to read, reread, and look and look, but I finally got it. Imagine how I feel.  This one's been fun.
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