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Pretty sure that looks like a copper-nickel fake
So let's turn this into a teaching moment. What is it about this one that makes you believe it fake? |
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I'm guessing it's the color that made the OP suspect a fake. Most fakes I've seen have a similarly dull, gray color. Then too, an untrained eye might mistake all those tiny marks for a cast piece. The fakes typically have XF detail. The wear on this genuine coin is evenly fine.
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Let me throw a small question at the Early Dollar experts. I have this one as an early (first use, I gather this die pair was split and then rejoined after the reverse struck other stuff) B-16 - close 1-7, missing top left serif of the U. No real visible die cracking, but I can see some of the clashing this one is known for.
Here's the question: What of the joined denticles at UN on the auction coin? I looked at the first 50 of B-16 at Heritage without seeing such a thing. Then I switched to B-11, apparently the last usage of the reverse and you can tell it's a pretty tired die by that time, without seeing them either. I don't see anything resembling damage in that area which could fill denticles. There is a little bit of a ridge on the inside of the fill, but even accounting for additional circulation after a hit which caused it I can't really envision that as damage. Thoughts?
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My standard answer: For that much money I want it slabbed.
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Ddave, it's that ridge that really makes me think this is a rim ding; the force was just applied perpendicular to the face of the coin. Especially given all the other damage in the fields, that makes it look like this coin spent some time rattling around in a gearbox.
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I've been watching a coin from this seller. After seeing this post, I looked around and found it interesting they have dozens of high grade/dollar coins - all raw. They have only 2-3 in slabs, or perhaps, still in slabs.
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Looks like the real thing to me all day long !!
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Ddave, it's that ridge that really makes me think this is a rim ding; the force was just applied perpendicular to the face of the coin. Especially given all the other damage in the fields, that makes it look like this coin spent some time rattling around in a gearbox. That was my assumption. I considered the coin genuine when I posted, just fishing for someone who might have product-specific knowledge of a similar fake. |
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I've got it at VG details. Would I pay $950 for it? No.
The price isn't ridiculously unreasonable but yeah, more than I'd pay.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Rim ding!? Fascinating, ya learn something new every day. Looks to me like a run of the mill break.
Oh, I see what you mean... a ding early in life that was then worn over. Interesting! Hm. I still think it looks like a rim break. But yes, that should have a variety assigned to it, one would think.
I'll just be sitting here watching and learning...
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I still think it looks like a rim break. It did to me, too, which is why I looked at so many of them in differing stages of die life, without seeing one, before posting it here. |
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I'll post some pictures of the other coins that I have soon
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Looks real... a weight test would help determine final say. It's been beaten up, cleaned, and looks damaged - possibly even holed/repaired. Unless this is the look you're going for, I'd wait for another one that you could pick up at the same price, but looks way better.
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I think it was also a combination of the seller's lighting that made me think it was copper-nickel. Just had that look, and I don't trust any non-slabbed Bust Dollar for a second.
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They have only 2-3 in slabs, or perhaps, still in slabs. That may well go to the heart of the matter, an ebay business model whereby "details" certified specimens are bought cheap, broken out, and resold. Colligo ergo sum
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