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Buying A Coin Collection Question

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 Posted 12/20/2007  04:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shappa to your friends list
Gentlemen,
Thank you for all the info. A few things I never really considered.

There's only two places that have coins locally and both of those are mainly antique shops with a counter of coins each. The only decent shops would be 3 hours away. I agree...why would they even look at the coins if there was no real chance at me selling them to them.
The next coin show wont be until April. Though it's not a huge show it would give me a more accurate idea on what to offer.

The person that owns the coins right now is my employer of 25+ years. If she doesn't trust me now she never will. She doesn't even know what coins are in the collection. But I would like to give her an idea on how I came to my price.
Of course, she's free to take the coins back and stuff them back in her attic. lol

What's the best publication to get for priceing info? Greysheet or coinprices magazine? Maybe something else? Compare to recent ebay listings? Anyone gotta a spare greysheet?

Thanks for the welcome guys! And all the info.

You're right...I'm going to learn a lot.
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 Posted 12/20/2007  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
For one you can start with the famous Red Book by Whitman Publishing. Available at most book stores and at most coin shows. It is off the wall with prices but a good idea anyway. The Grey sheet also can be purchased on line and is what most dealers use. Coin prices can also be obtained on the PCGS web site or Coin World Magazine web site. Some dealers have links to coin prices such as jmscoins. His web site has a reverence link to coin shows and coin prices. Best bet is go to any coin show and try to buy a few books and/or magazines on coins. If a decent show they should be there. Walmart on line book store has the best prices for most books but naturally there is that famous S&H added to any on line purchases.
Hopefully since it is your boss with the coins it doesn't lead to your dismissal now having come into MILLIONS from those coins.
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 Posted 12/20/2007  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list
1st, it would be wrong to take it to a dealer and spend his time if you do not intend to give him the opportunity to buy the collection.

I would use the Gray sheets (what my area dealers use) and catalog and price every coin accordingly. any single coin I had a question about I would ask a dealer about, but not the whole collection.

Once I have put a value on it I would offer 5/10% above that price and you will be giving them better than dealer and have made a reasonable purchase for you.

Jim
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 Posted 12/20/2007  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ScarsdaleCoin to your friends list
yes we do look at the coins, sometimes we buy them and then spend time going over the collection at a later date... I know many times I have sent "additional" payment checks after finding something that we missed in the first buy.... you may also want to get an apprasial for the value from someone who is certified to do such!
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 Posted 12/20/2007  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greyhav to your friends list
Whitman also publishes a Blue Book, which is dealer buy prices.
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 Posted 12/20/2007  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list
Collections that come in for purchase are handled much differently than those that come in for appraisal. There are different types of appraisals and appraisers as well. If you want a realistic and fair appraisal, you're going to have to pay for it. You should WANT to pay for a fair appraisal, since you are not planning on compensating the appraiser by giving them an opportunity to purchase the coins.

You can ask the appraiser to provide whatever kind of appraisal you want. If the appraisal is for insurance purposes, it is prudent to expect full retail values for the coins as accurately graded plus at least 10% to cover acquisition costs. Especially rare coins will have a higher cost of acquisition associated with them if they do not come up for sale very often. A retail or auction appraisal should cover a range of value and a description of condition--for example: 1822 Capped Bust Dime VG details/cleaned/small rim dent 2:00 obverse ($275-400).

A 'free' dealer estimate of value is completely different from an appraisal and can be based in whole or in part on the 'sight-unseen' prices like you would find in the dealer greysheet. Expect a significant discount even from wholesale bid prices depending on the dealer and their ability to market and sell the coins/paper in question. Since Greysheets are available online, get yourself one and bring it (and the Red Book) with you if you bring the coins to a dealer. Make notes. Tell them you'll think about their offer.

A dealer will often take the time to look at all the coins in the collection, but their offer will be lower than you might expect for a number of factors. A quick look at each coin is often not enough for even the most experienced numismatist to observe every flaw or positive feature of a given coin. Honest dealers will not offer 70% of silver melt for all silver coins. A good dealer should look at each of your coins unless you are specifically telling him that the coins are bullion only, and you are only selling them as such.

Dealers are going to try to pay as little as possible for your collection while keeping you happy. For example, a dealer might only glance at your tokens and exonumia and say, 'Nobody really wants those, I pay X cents each for them." They can point you to trays of tokens each selling for a buck or less, so it seems reasonable. If there's something valuable in them a truly honest dealer might pay you more later, but most will just be happy to use the value there to make up for offering a little more for the rarities.

Common date wheats will get you 2 cents each.

Rolls of common date memorial Lincolns won't carry much of a premium if any, even if the coins are BU.

Common date 90% silver (dimes to halves) in my area will get you 8-9X face value. Morgans and Peace will get you 9.50 for junk and higher for better dates/conditions. Silver rounds will get you 80-90% of spot depending on whether there are buyers with orders in or not.

As for the early coinage, expect the offer you get to be about 50% of what it would be expected to sell for, with one caveat: a dealer might (mentally or vocally) knock the coin down a grade for purchase and then up for selling. It's called 'kicking the tires,' and I see it all the time.

With all that said, I don't think you should take it to a dealer unless you are planning to pay for an appraisal. If it were my friend and I wanted to stay friends, I would pay for an appraisal and request that the appraisal reflect dealer buy prices. With that information and your own research you can decide on a fair offer.

Even after knowing someone for 25 years, I wouldn't rely singly on my own opinion. If you do make a mistake and end up paying $200 for a coin that turns out to be worth $20,000, I think the paper trail provided by an independent appraisal would be more than worth it's weight in rare coins.

Hope to see more of the collection as your work progresses--keep us posted!
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 Posted 12/20/2007  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shappa to your friends list
Ignorant question time.
Are grey list and coin prices put out by the same people? I'd like two seperate references to compare prices.

I wish this forum had the ability to quote someone in the reply because you all offer great insights I'd like to address.

You're right guys. The idea of using a dealers expertise with out paying for it grates on me.

Halfabustisbetter, Fantastic post with a lot of info. Thank you sir!

Since I can't get to a coin show soon or to a reputable dealer. I think it's going to go this way.

1. organize the coins. They are a mess.
2. inventory them all.
3. list key dates w grade by denomination.
4. get the grey list and coin prices magazine.
5. research the tokens and exonumia for authenticity and price.
6. price them out using two different references
8. show what I expect a dealer to offer and why. offer her my price.

I might even print out this thread for her.

Thank you again gentlemen

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 Posted 12/20/2007  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list
That seems like a good plan Shappa. One suggestion, if any of the coins seem to have a lot of value, consider getting added thoughts on it. You sure don't want to over pay for a coin and have missed something. Hey, post them here.

Jim
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 Posted 12/20/2007  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shappa to your friends list
That seems like a good plan Shappa. One suggestion, if any of the coins seem to have a lot of value, consider getting added thoughts on it. You sure don't want to over pay for a coin and have missed something. Hey, post them here.

Jim
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Another good idea!
I photobucket as a free pic host for other forums. I'm pretty sure it should be o.k. here too.
Now I'll have to learn how to photo coins too. lol
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 Posted 12/20/2007  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
What I would do if I was presented with this collection is

Price out the bust material
Allow about a dollar apiece for the cent rolls. (I don't care if they look like "original rolls" because the only way to know if they truly are is to bust them open and then they aren't. If I truly feel convinced that they are, then I may allow more.)
Do a quick scan of the dimes for keys, semi-keys, or unusually high grade pieces, other than that melt value.
Melt on the silver rounds.
I'd try and come up with an average value on the tokens and broken bank notes and allow that per piece and hope I find a good one in there. Why? because I don't know that much about them and getting accurate values will require attribution and specialized references that I don't have. This means a lot more time for potentially little or no return. So figure the average price and hope something shows up to cover my research time.
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 Posted 12/20/2007  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list
I have considered looking for collections, or "a bunch of "old coins, "laying around" to buy, but end up with the same questions Shappa has posed. Not knowing much about grading, and even less about value, here is what I did, and ended up buying the "batch". My sister said she had a bunch of old coins, that she wanted to get rid of. I asked for a list of what, date, and mint, how many of each, and condition. She said she didn't know "what condition" they were, but they weren't new coins, just some old coins laying around. I used the "black book", which gives the prices a dealer would pay for the coin, in grade. I offered the VG-8 price listed for all the denominations, and ( She said they weren't new,just "old coins"). Based on that, I said I would give her "so much" for them. She later agreed, and sent the lot to me. They turned out to be pretty much what I expected, and she has never said that I cheated her, so Maybe that might work for you. There were none of the other items you mentioned, so it was much easier. When it comes to the other items, I would reccomend asking members of this, and other forums, that cover those areas as part of the forum, and I'm asure you can get some excellent advice on which way to go. Good luck in your "project", and Welcome to the forum! You mentioned "an Ignorant question" There ain't no such thing!@ Only people that are afraid to ask for fear that they will be considered "ignorant" My position is this: Any day that goes by, where I didn't learn something new, (to me), is a day WASTED!
Dick
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12/20/2007 9:19 pm
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 Posted 12/21/2007  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list
this way some of us can help you grade&price them
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 Posted 12/21/2007  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I wish this forum had the ability to quote someone in the reply because you all offer great insights I'd like to address

True that is one thing missing here. Should be thingy on a post for quotes so you can copy what someone else said. Anyone know of a way that could be done?
I do like the idea of printing out this series of answers. Might actually be a thing to show your boss so he knows you are really attempting to come up with a decent method of purchasing the coins at a fair price.
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 Posted 12/21/2007  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IHPO8S to your friends list
I would try to find a certified appraiser. any key dates or high dollar coins send in for grading. You could take the coins to 5 diffrent dealers at a coin show and get 5 diffrent grades. The bullion coins depends on the market price.
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 Posted 12/23/2007  05:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list
"I wish this forum had the ability to quote someone in the reply because you all offer great insights I'd like to address"--justcarl

Quoting is simple. See above. Just highlight the quote, hit control c, then click in the reply box and hit control v. Add quotation marks, and the name of the person being quoted.

My thoughts on the original question. It is indeed unfair to go to a dealer and ask for an appraisal if you have no intention selling. I suppose you could reject the hypothetical offer, but then you know your intentions and it still isn't right.
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