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Burned Out MS-65 Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 05/11/2015  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list
What are the tell tale signs of dipping / over dipping?

I bought a small jar of the EZ-Est to experiment with, but haven't played with dipping any coins to see the results yet.

I like the phrasing 'market acceptable cleaning' that I have seen elsewhere. What amount, if any, of dipping is market acceptable?
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 Posted 05/11/2015  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list
I think MS65 is spot on for this one- I'm assuming there is much nicer luster in hand, looks like the way the photo was taken hides the luster very well but I would be willing to bet in hand this coin is a stunner
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 Posted 05/11/2015  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
Yeah, I think the muted or lack of luster on the fields is a side affect of the photos. Shooting through plastic can be a challenge while trying to maintain focus and portraying the true luster. There is a high likelihood that it's been dipped in the past but may not be over-dipped.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Night-Hawk to your friends list
I wouldn't put too much weight into one set of
unsaturated photos, they almost look black and white.
Seller should provide more and better photos if serious
about selling it for the best price..

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 Posted 05/11/2015  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
It doesn't look over dipped, just creative photo work. It sure doesn't look MS-65 either.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Yeah, I think the grade is a bit generous. Even the reverse fields are messed up. I still see luster here too. Would be tough to resell.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matttheriley to your friends list

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Yep, the seller shows both sides.


I only see three images on the listing and none of them include the coin AND the label in the same image.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
As they say, "buy the coin not the holder". IMHO this one is MS-64 at best.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matttheriley to your friends list
It's awfully baggy!
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 Posted 05/11/2015  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CSOTUS to your friends list
This seller is one of the host of the coin show podcast.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
It doesn't make 65 to me either.

I'm not willing to pronounce it "overdipped" right yet - overdipping sufficient to cause the granular effect on some of the coin would have completely stripped the luster long before. Instead, I think I'm seeing a curious effect of high-megapixel camera sensors on the look of a coin. I noticed it first with the 18MP T2i - it's as if there were sufficient pixels to capture each individual structure in the microscopic irregularity of the surface. I find it necessary to shoot RAW and remove chroma noise in post when shooting at that kind of pixel resolution. Between that and shooting through a slab, I can find most explanation for what the coin shows.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list
I do not think it is over dipped. With that being said, I do not think it deserves a 65. Looks more like a MS-64 to me.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
MS-64.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I would think more like MS64 also.

Apart from that, is it possible to dip a coin to (say, remove blotchy toning), without affecting the luster in any way?
What are the characteristics of 'burning', associated with over dipping?

I have never been tempted to dip a coin with good luster, hence the questions.
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 Posted 05/12/2015  03:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list
Thanks all. Looking at it again I can see where it is perhaps the photographer stripping the saturation out of the image.
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