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1884-CC Morgan Dollar, Toned (Grade Posted)

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I grade it:
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 Posted 05/22/2015  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
MS-63.
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 Posted 05/22/2015  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list
64. Amazing coin.
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 Posted 05/22/2015  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
Yeah, MS (64)
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 Posted 05/22/2015  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
VAM-8, I think (from the pattern of cracking through the date), and clearly double-clashed. I wonder what might be there for letter transfer on the obverse? The VAMworld entry for this one doesn't include clashing information, and it might be a nice addition to the page. The plate coin shows a single weak reverse clash.

I began by agonizing whether to call this 63 or 64, from all the marks I was seeing. Then, it began to be like, "Would I give this a 65 if that one prominent mark in front of the ear weren't there? Would I give it a 65 if that were the only mark on the cheek? Yeah, I probably would. So, it's a 64.

And the eye appeal? Off the charts. Not manic, but completely original to date of mintage having survived the entire time in a Mint bag. Note the radius of the toning on half-toners like this one - it should correspond pretty well with the diameter of the Morgan next to it in the bag, covering the part that didn't tone. This one stuck out of the stack.

Don't forget, the atmosphere in a city those days was far more sulfurous than the one we breathe now. The Industrial Revolution turned coal into something everybody had to burn, and coal means sulfur. Coins would tone just laying about, in that atmosphere. It's why Seated and Barber coinage get so dark. It's terminal toning, exactly as you'd expect in that atmosphere. They do say that almost every Morgan has been dipped at one time or another - could these toners be the only for-sure original ones left?
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 Posted 05/22/2015  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
Once again you sum things up so eloquently dave. I love crescents for just that reason. It shows flat out that it was in the vaults all those years just like textile toners. My avatar double crecent is my favorite because of that (until I get a bold textile monster that is)
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 Posted 05/23/2015  01:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
My initial thought MS64.

Great description Dave.
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In that order... and it got a green bean, boy in hand those dings must fade away
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Just goes to show you how super-sized photos can really show off minor imperfections. Nice Morgan!
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Just goes to show you how super-sized photos can really show off minor imperfections.


Methinks I oughta read my own words on the subject more carefully.
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..One of those "holy cow!" coins in hand.

Spectacular iridescence on the toning, so it looks original
from the mint bag into the GSA slab, then the PCGS slab unmolested. Good explanation SD on how the toning occurs.

Anyway getting proper pics of this type is way out of my pay grade, you will have to take my word for it.

Thanks again for the comments! Aloha! -Ron
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Ron, I don't think I can take your word for it but if you send it too me we can be certain

Nice one, keep her safe

Ps, are you in Hawaii? I used to live in Waikiki and Lahaina
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Ron, I don't think I can take your word for it but if you send it too me we can be certain

Nice one, keep her safe

Ps, are you in Hawaii? I used to live in Waikiki and Lahaina


Haha! , keep dreamin' .. -Yes I'm an interisland trucker in the islands.. (tug/barge capt.) FOBT - (fresh off the boat today..)

-Ron
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Shaka brudda
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I oughta read my own words on the subject more carefully


Yeah Ddave, that is one thing you taught me that I keep forgetting...
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