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1794 Large Cents

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 Posted 07/02/2015  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Scropper's advice is sound. Search out EAC dealers at shows and spend some serious time learning the subject first hand. If you're only going to own one. then pay up and buy a nice one. You will never regret it.
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 Posted 07/02/2015  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list
Getting back to the original question about 179x coins in problem free condition. I love these old coppers but based on my limited budget I needed to make some compromises. Here's what I did. I purchased some 1794s in details grade (most of the 1794s being sold would grade details). I also bought a 1796 problem free coin for comparison. I paid so much more for the 1796 based on the BN grade but the net grade is much lower than the 1794 details coins I own. I have both details and RB and my take on this is that I prefer a details coin that is graded higher details because of a technicality rather than a BN 179x coin.

OK, maybe this makes a difference - I'm a collector and not interested in resale as a dealer.

Just my opinion of course.

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Example of BN
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 Posted 07/02/2015  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list
cipster - beauties both!

You had me really going though, for a second - "Whoa, what, a Red-Brown '96! WOW! Oh... wait..."

: p

Both beautiful coins! And an RB '96 is several orders of magnitude over my current pay grade. Danged lottery tickets still not working...

The other thing that's fun about '94s is that the varieties can be so completely different. Same design roughly, but with a completely different look and feel!
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You had me really going though, for a second - "Whoa, what, a Red-Brown '96! "


Sorry, yes - BN not RB
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 Posted 07/03/2015  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list
Funnily enough, I've just come across an interesting reference to 1794 cents in an old coin book I've got, "Pocket Money Guide", published in 1968:

"When Charles Winn returned from America to his family home, Nostell Priory in Yorkshire, he put his American loose change away in a drawer. That was in 1794. 170 years later, Winn's descendant, Lord St Oswald, came across those coins. Among them were two of the rare American dollars of 1794, as well as a handful of the equally rare 1794 copper cents. At an auction in 1964, the two dollars fetched four thousand pounds each, and the best of the cents sold for three thousand pounds."
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 Posted 07/03/2015  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Ad I recall, the pound was worth a lot more back then, maybe closer to $5. Must have been quite a cent!
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 Posted 07/04/2015  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
They are, the Lord St Oswald coins are well known
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 Posted 07/06/2015  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
I fell in love with 1794 Large Cents last year, I own a couple now, only AG/G though. Since they've priced me out of the market on most of them, I collect the next best thing, literature on them. At the EAC convention this past spring, (my first) I was talking with Chuck Heck (EAC member and member of the boyz of 94 club) he told me they used to give 1794 low grades away to the younger members all the time, but now it's just not feasible, as even AG coins are close to $100 or even more now. Sure wish I had put away a stack of them 10 years ago.
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 Posted 07/06/2015  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GERMANICVS to your friends list
Like you, westcoin, I too regret not having 'stocked-up' on 94's when I started collecting in the mid. 80's. They were certainly lower priced back then, even if it still seems like they were not exactly cheap, at least not in relation to my disposable income at the time. Also, I got distracted with other issues, like 1796's for instance.
Given the current price levels for 'decent' (no corrosion or other defects) 1794 cents, I think a suitable compromise is to buy 'details' coins that retain a generally good appearance, but cost a fraction of the better examples.
This would be an example of a details coin - yes, it has spots of red corrosion, minor edge nick, and scattered shallow pits on the reverse, but is still a pleasure to look at (at least for me!). I Paid what I consider was a reasonable price for it.

S-41, R-3.

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 Posted 07/06/2015  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
A wonderful and enlightening discussion. I've pushed my EAC buying back to 1802 and I'm only missing two dates after that. Those earlier are so top of the line blue chip that I just can't consider purchasing any of them with problems (usually corrosion). They far exceed my own maximum spending limit of $200 for non-TPG purchases. With only a few exceptions I keep that limitation and only buy +$200 coins in TPGs.

I do buy a few 'type coin' series that I believe I know well beyond that limitation in raw state, but I don't count EACs as one of those series.

When I'm putting (what I consider) a larger sum into a single coin I always keep in mind that at some point either I or my heirs will sell the coin. If the coin is lovely it will always garner interest and desire. The more collectors who would want the coin, the greater chance that it will maintain value.

Even though the early EAC in no problem TPGs are fought over and garner considerably higher prices and much greater interest I look at that as a primary reason to keep my patience and wait for those superior examples.

When I look at the coins in my collection I want each of them to be good reasons for keeping a box of drool rags close at hand.
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 Posted 07/07/2015  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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Even though the early EAC in no problem TPGs are fought over and garner considerably higher prices and much greater interest I look at that as a primary reason to keep my patience and wait for those superior examples.


That's the way to collect that will pay off in the long term, big time!
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 Posted 07/07/2015  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
Buy what YOU like. I somewhat regret selling a VF details 1795 because you could see pinscratches under a loupe. It was a nice coin in-hand.

I say this because of liquidating an estate collection of modern proofs. None of the heirs wanted them. They had value for the gold eagles, not because they were collectable. The same is true of 1794 cents. What's an heir going to do with them? They could end up in a yard sale or a dumpster and you can't stop them. I lost track of the number of trips to the transfer station carrying Dad's treasure heap.
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 Posted 07/07/2015  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list
Thanks for the advice everyone. I'll definitely stick to TPG graded coins. Who grades them tougher, NGC or PCGS? The coins I want might be a bit out of my price range, I'll let you guys know if I land one.

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 Posted 07/11/2015  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list
My experience is that PCGS grades Early Copper tougher, and sometimes a bit unfairly.

So sad,... another beautiful copper locked up in a plastic case! : (
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 Posted 07/11/2015  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Who grades them tougher, NGC or PCGS?

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