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Seeking Advice On Wheaties

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 Posted 01/06/2008  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list
ceaton, I made the mistake of starting my Wheat collection with BU reds. I had a Carlos Mencia moment "duh dee-dee" moment when I started getting into it.

First you need to realistically look at your budget.

Pick up a Grey Sheet and look at the Ask prices in the Lincoln section. RedBook is very much outdated. Go down the column for each grade and start doing the math. Even in GOOD it's not cheap to complete. Especially when you factor in the keys.

For mine I decided to go with all slabbed Keys of various grades, and all semi-keys, better dates and commons are EF+ and brown if they're MS.

I'm also finding the difference in cost and availability between EF and VF is pretty significant. I'm pretty picky about my coins, but if I could start over I might even consider going with VF. It would make completion much easier and cheaper, and VF coins can still have nice detail and eye appeal.

Going with Fine you're going to lose some detail but you can still find very nice, problem free examples and it will make the project even more cost and time efficient.

If you're really into the high grades, I would definitely stay away from the Reds and I would say allow yourself the latitude of at least EF or better. The tricky part will be the 1950s, which tend to be Red in high grades. But they're still fairly easy (and very cheap) to find in EF+ brown.

As was stated before, you probably don't want to mix Reds with Browns. 09-58 brown, and 59-Present Red BU is the way to go IMO.
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 Posted 01/06/2008  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
It's all going to depend on how much you have to spend. Personnally, I wouldn't set a certain grade goal unless you have a whole lot of money. Definately focus on the keys and semi-key dates first as they are rapidly rising in value and they are becoming difficult to find. Be content with G-VG grades in those or you'll have to come up with some serious green.

Good Luck!
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 Posted 01/06/2008  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list
Thx for the great input USArmy! I'm definetely going to get slabbed keys, that way I know they are legit and well preserved. Although, i'll hate the holes in my book. VF coins do have some nice eye appeal, and to have a set even in that grade would be nice. I do not want to mix reds with browns, i'd rather have certain years brown, then red on up. Like I said before, since my Dansco book first 2 pages are 1909 - 1934D, I think that would be 2 pages of vf/xf browns, reds from 35 up, since they seem to still be somewhat cheap. I dunno.

I'm just after a plan of attack for my wheat set. I dont want to put in bunch of money into this until then. Right now I'm leaning toward what I said above. Now the only problem would be my grading skills lol. Gotta make sure I master that range of grades I'm after.

I am not familiar with Grey Sheets. Is this something I can do online, buy or where would I get one of these? I currently use CoinValues for a reference in prices, but they seem on the higher end. Hopefully more people pipe in with there thoughts and opinions, every little bit helps! Thanks

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 Posted 01/06/2008  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I think you'll find if you attempt to get some in one grade and others in another grade, and they are next to each other in an album, they look all wrong. Slight differences are not noticable. however, if you had a 1930 in MS-60 and next to it a 1929S in VG-8 or something like that, it would bother you. If you have your coins in slabs or 2x2's and can not readily see differences, it makes less differences. As stated all your coins from 59 to present are AU and Proofs. Now if those are in a Whitman, Dansco, etc type album, imagine how that wil bother you seeing a much, much lesser grade right next to those.
If your coins are in an album, I would suggest you slowly acquire lesser and lesser grades so the differences are less obvious.
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 Posted 01/06/2008  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list
I thought about that too Carl, slowly lowering the grades the older they get. I'm almost debating working backwards from 58 down, buying the highest grades possible until it becomes crazy expensive. I would like to check out the grey sheets, that would probably open my eyes to the money this will cost anyways. I'm still not sure where to get those.
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 Posted 01/06/2008  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list
Just to touch on a couple of things:

The 'Coin Dealer Newsletter' is often referred to as "gray sheet", because it's in gray print just like a newspaper. You can subscribe to it for I think about $100 per year. Or you can simply ask the dealer to see theirs when you visit. It has interesting articles, and it's THE most accurate "price guide" of all publications, IMO.

And take heed to what's been said here a number of times. Try to keep your coins consistent with the grades. As Carl said, it will bug you to have an MS coin next to a Good one.

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 Posted 01/07/2008  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list
I just found that you can purchase and view the greysheet online for $4. Not too bad. I just purchased one, only has 1909 - 1949 listed, but thats all I really need anyways. Pretty convenient. I should be good to go hopefully! Plenty of info at my disposal now. Thanks to all!
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 Posted 01/09/2008  03:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SA4H to your friends list
I have a copy of the greysheet that list all coins from Flying Eagle to Franklin half with prices from G to MS.... I don't know if I can post the scan up on here for everyone reference? If I get a YES then I'll scan it tomorrow and post it up.
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 Posted 01/09/2008  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list
The PDF I downloaded has my name on it and is supposed to only be used by me. So, I personally would not want to share it since I feel I might get in trouble etc... I mean, I would if I could, but yeah.

I made the mistake of buying the weekly issue, which does not have lincoln's. Had to buy another one, the monthly issue to get lincolns. So dont make the same mistake I did, FYI :)
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 Posted 01/09/2008  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 500coins to your friends list
go for the gold....AU
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 Posted 01/11/2008  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
My collection is mid-chocolate brown, matching coins in EF45-AU55 from 1909 through 1933, then red mint state 65 or better from 1934 to date. All matte proofs are medium brown matching the color of the early set, and all other proofs are 65 or better to 1951, and 67 or better from 1952.

I've been on the set for 25 years and am still not finished only because I haven't found perfectly matching brown coins for every issue.

Die state also comes into play. I make sure all the coins I buy are rather sharp early die state coins when possible.
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 Posted 01/11/2008  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list
copper coins, that must be one hell of a collection... especially when you're finally finished.
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 Posted 01/12/2008  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list
I'd love to see your brown set. I'm trying to build something similar.
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 Posted 01/12/2008  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list
@@ceaton@@ look next week In member for sale. I had a friend pass around 10/30/07 and his wife sent me his Old wheat set book + all the coins were in roll, I will go thur it and list what for sale next week . I am not trying to sell U this its just a update of some of my sale I am listing here at the CCF only the( 1# coin forum on line) before they go to ebay
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 Posted 01/12/2008  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list
Sorry to hear about your friend :(

I will look for your sale. Thanks for the heads up!
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