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Pillar of the Community
United States
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F15 details. Lovely coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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I think it could make VF-20.
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United States
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Its hard to tell if it is details, but looks VF to me. What was the PCGS grade?
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My guess.... VF details-environmental damage
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm very, very jealous. :)
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Your coin is an S-70....Go to Goldbergs Auction site and look up the Dan Holmes sale from Sept 6 2009 and look at Lot#112 and check your coin with his coin. You will see why I graded it VG10...Your coin is very nice but it is what it is. I don't know where the folks on this site are giving VF grades but it is definitely not.
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Pillar of the Community
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Well, I don't have the proof of what PCGS gave it because it is no longer in the holder, but it was in a VF details/environmental damage holder. I agree with the grade although I could see it at fine details holder also. With a reverse that sharp, I'm thinking VG is a bit harsh. I'll try to get some edge shots. I love the edge on these thick copper pieces! I've already bought it, but would still like some comments for a fair market value. Thanks for the attribution 1893S.
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Germany
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In my opinion, the details on both obverse and reverse suffice for a VF20.
It is not obvious to me that this is a details coin - The surfaces are not nicely colored, but it is not evident from the pictures that they are corroded, grainy or plagued by verdigris, unless the obverse pits we are seeing are corrosion pits and that is what caused the determination.
(I have seen much worse surfaces in cleanly graded slabs).
Overall an appealing cent, with a net grade of at least EAC 10 in my opinion.
Please post better pictures if you have a chance to better be able to appreciate the surfaces.
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Your coin is an S-70....Go to Goldbergs Auction site and look up the Dan Holmes sale from Sept 6 2009 and look at Lot#112 and check your coin with his coin. The Holmes coin was ridiculously undergraded and went for solid VF money in front of the toughest graders in numismatics. I think that one was close to XF, and the bidders thought so too. It is, in fact, a strong argument for this coin - with sharp denticles around both faces - being a low VF. |
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Your wrong SD..An S-70 in F15 in choice condition price value in CQR is $2,250 and that's what those bidders in the Auction saw. A VF30 value in CQR in Average condition is $6,000 and if that coin was an EF40 its value in CQR is anywhere between $15,000-$20,000. So no, the Holmes coin was no where near a VF or EF coin or the bidders would have bid VF or EF prices considering it was a Holmes coin. I'm looking at the Lot# right now and I see nothing more than a choice F12-15. The new way of TPG grading doesn't cut it for true LC collectors as we have always gone by the copper grading practices of the last 50 or so years that has been used by the LC community. |
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Thanks for the info. I'm no expert on these and I'm sure your opinion has merit 1893S, however PCGS had it at VF details also. The marks on the obverse in the hair are corrosion pits which I think warranted the environmental damage tag. I'm happy with it and I paid a fair price for it in my mind.
Edit: I just looked at the coin mentioned in the auction above. She is a beauty. I can say I paid well south of half what that coin sold for. Rightfully so. My coin isn't problem free.
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08/22/2015 12:13 am
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All I have to say is that in ten years here I have never once quoted a price from a price list nor will I ever. I am telling you what real people pay for these coins, from records of existing sales. And when I quote a price or value, I have researched that price up to that day, within 10 minutes of posting it.
Stop letting me Google this for you guys, and go look for yourself. You're not questioning me, you're questioning reality.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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1893s: "A VF30 value in CQR in Average condition is $6,000" Do you mean EAC VF30 or TPG VF30? With all due respect to Jack Robinson, an S-70 (Die State B) in full grade NGC VF35 brought just over $2.1k 2 months ago pedigreed to Exman by way of Moore. Noyes put it at a sharp EAC 20 (net to EAC 15) and Bland had it at EAC 15, presumably due to some sparse pitting and deeper hits, and perhaps being a bit too coppery and not enough dark. Of course, we should also note that CQR was discontinued after Vol. 20 and a new volume has not been issued since that time (2011), and the market has fluctuated quite a bit. In 2012 another S-70 in NGC full VF30 brought home $2.6k, EAC F15 (net.) Just my one (large) cent. AB Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
08/22/2015 12:41 am
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United States
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I will add one thing------------Most 1794s have weak reverse and at a F15 grade butt the obverse shows would mean Hardly a reverse. This ones got a strong clear reverse VF like. I think as its unusual it was given a higher grade--I can see that
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