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1793 Cent Or Will He Win His Own Coin Again

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 Posted 08/24/2015  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list
So, Bobby, you don't think these listings, both bought by shill bidder, s***i(59) are not the same coin?:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....047675.l2565
and
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....047675.l2565

I can PROVE they are both the same coin by the PCGS certification number.....25206504
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 Posted 08/24/2015  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add randyK to your friends list
g048406 a.k.a. Arizona Rare Coins - why have you continually belittled this guy's listings? is it because he competes with you for the same material off of Heritage? You are not in charge of ebay listings and you do not have any knowledge of what the terms "fraud" and "scam" entail. While I see that you may not agree with some of this seller's practices, you need to take a good look in the mirror because YOU violate several of ebay's policies in your listings. I am going to start reporting you and calling ebay since you are being a bully to other people. Let me point out the policies that you violate for your own edification:

"A graded coin is one that has received a numeric grade (MS-65, for example) from a coin grading company. This numeric grade can be included in the title, description, or item specifics of the listing only if the coin has been graded by a company that has been found by us to meet certain minimum objective criteria.

Single coins listed in the Coins & Paper Money > Coins: US category with a starting bid price, reserve price, or Buy It Now price of $2,500 or more must receive a numeric grade from an approved grading company, and the numeric grade must be included in the listing. This requirement doesn't apply to bullion listings or collections, lots, or sets listed within the Coins & Paper Money > Coins: US category."

You have multiple listings that are in violation of this requirement that items with a starting bid of $2500 of more MUST receive a numeric grade from an approved TPG. Ironically, one of your listings that violates this policy is a 1793 cent (301715266084).

In addition, all of your listings for "Details" graded coins violate the ebay requirement that there should be: "No estimate of value (even if personal opinion) or reference to a price guide is included in the title or description." when the coin is not in an approved TPG with a numeric grade. Furthermore, you link past auction archives with broken links and the person can't even verify the past sale. You also use deceptive imaging in nearly all of your listings as I have found them all through Heritage and the coins do not look like you turn them at deceptive angles.

You need to take a good look in the mirror and spend your time reflecting on your own deceptive activities that are in DIRECT VIOLATION of ebay policies.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list
Isn't he just hurting himself by winning his own auction and paying fvf to ebay?
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 Posted 08/24/2015  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
I sent my guy exactly what you posted here, what I quoted above, and its flat out wrong.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list

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You have multiple listings that are in violation of this requirement that items with a starting bid of $2500 of more MUST receive a numeric grade from an approved TPG. Ironically, one of your listings that violates this policy is a 1793 cent (301715266084).


I see nothing here that violates ebay policy.
Front and back of slab, accurate description as far as I'm concerned, and the buyer can make his own decisions on whether to buy or not buy the coin based on the sellers description/terms.
So this is a details coin and no numeric grade. Is he supposed to put nothing then in title and description?
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 Posted 08/24/2015  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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I see nothing here that violates ebay policy.


The fact that he doesn't know what an NGC slab looks like hasn't stopped him from continuing to type.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
The scam/fraud that g048406 is complaining about is an actual scam that hurts buyers and the collective ebay community. Even if g048406's listings may have had a few infractions (I don't see anything wrong with them), he is a proffessional coin dealer who operates a brick-and-mortar store who provides this extra information with the intent to help the buyer, not to make the buyer pay what the seller wants at a number far above what the coin is worth.

How about this? I put a coin up for action that is in my own slab with an MS-65 designation and the high-retail correspoding value on it, and show this extra information only in the pictures and not write anything about it in the title and description. I am technically following ebay rules, but I know that the coin is AU, but I still try to represent it for something better than what it is. An inexperienced and uninformed individual may pay a lot more than the coin is worth because he/she does not know what he/she is doing and trusts my "proffessional" opinion because my coin is in a slab. I get an unscrupulously earned bonus profit, annd the buyer gets stuck with a coin which he/she paid too much for and does not know it.

Which is the real scam?
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08/24/2015 6:52 pm
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 Posted 08/24/2015  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list

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sent my guy exactly what you posted here, what I quoted above, and its flat out wrong.


I just looked, and they are all the same coin.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list
The real problem with what wholesalecoins99 is doing is that it flat out violates ebay's rules. If ebay is not going to enforce their shilling rules, than they need to revise their rules.
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08/24/2015 7:23 pm
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 Posted 08/24/2015  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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I just looked, and they are all the same coin.


Look again, they are NOT.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
Well, DUH. I should have seen that.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list
I will try this 1 LAST time and than let wholesalecoins99 aka randyK continue on his merry shilling way....ebay item #271949899411 was sold to s***i(59) PCGS cert#25206504
ebay item #400976048119 was sold to s***i(59) PCGS cert#25206504
These are both the same coin in the same holder sold by the same seller to the same shill bidder......I don't know what more I can do to prove this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1793-1C-Wre...047675.l2557
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1793-1C-Wre...047675.l2557
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 Posted 08/24/2015  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
One of those new links differs from the original two posted, which I also saw myself linked to two different PCGS slabs.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EFLargeCents to your friends list
The original two auction links posted were NOT the same coin. The second go round posted by g048406 were the same coin. The only person getting screwed here is ebay.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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I put a coin up for action that is in my own slab with an MS-65 designation and the high-retail corresponding value on it, and show this extra information only in the pictures and not write anything about it in the title and description. I am technically following ebay rules, but I know that the coin is AU, but I still try to represent it for something better than what it is.


Any grades in an image of a raw coin (non-compliant slab) must be obscured according to ebay rules.
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