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Valued Member
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Thank you all for all the help. There's enough information and referrals on this page (not to even mention the Sticky), I could stay busy for a very long time. I've begun at Wickapedia reading the highlights of the very sad reign of Emperor Honorus, and how he basically watched the Empire's demise while petting a favorite chicken! Arnoldoe - That is a gorgeous coin. If I can find something like that I'll be very, very HAPPY  . Jack
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Unusual pick for a first coin ! It is a nice example of a later emperor when much of the bronze coins were quite hastily made with little attention paid to quality.
One of the most exciting things about being a beginner collector is the learning that follows. Almost all the people who we find on coins have some sort of story to tell. Some are heroic and some are not so heroic. Honorius existed in a sort of "Limbo". There wasn't much good about him but nothing terribly rotten either. He ruled for 28 years so we can't call him a complete failure. But given the changing times he found himself in the middle of he seems to have been paralyzed by his own fears and the ambitions of people around him. If you have some patience you need read The Decline and Fall chapters 29-33
"His subjects, who attentively studied the character of their young sovereign, discovered that Honorius was without passions, and consequently without talents; and that his feeble and languid disposition was alike incapable of discharging the duties of his rank, or of enjoying the pleasures of his age. In his early youth he made some progress in the exercises of riding and drawing the bow; but he soon relinquished these fatiguing occupations, and the amusement of feeding poultry became the serious and daily care of the monarch of the West, who resigned the reins of empire to the firm and skilful hand of his guardian Stilicho. The experience of history will countenance the suspicion that a prince who was born in the purple received a worse education than the meanest peasant of his dominions, and that the ambitious minister suffered him to attain the age of manhood without attempting to excite his courage or to enlighten his understanding. The predecessors of Honorius were accustomed to animate by their example, or at least by their presence, the valour of the legions; and the dates of their laws attest the perpetual activity of their motions through the provinces of the Roman world. But the son of Theodosius passed the slumber of his life a captive in his palace, a stranger in his country, and the patient, almost the indifferent, spectator of the ruin of the Western empire, which was repeatedly attacked, and finally subverted, by the arms of the barbarians. In the eventful history of a reign of twenty-eight years, it will seldom be necessary to mention the name of the emperor Honorius."
BTW You made an excellent choice for a first purchase Antonio is quite pleasant to 'speak' with and if you message him will no doubt be helpful in his suggestions.
I would add that combining the shipment with a few others is almost expected. He won't mind if you spend two weeks low balling some auctions ! In fact he would appreciate the attention. You would be surprised at the things you can win at $5 if you make enough attempts !
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Valued Member
 United States
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FVRIOUS -Thank you so much for taking time to guide and teach. I will definitely check out the reference. Believe me when I say that I am perfectly willing to hide until the closing seconds of an auction, and then strike with the fury of a $5.00 bid! I'm retired military and have some medical issues, so, at least in this sense, I can afford to watch and be patient. I have recently purchased a pretty US Large Cent from a CCF member who, by the way, lives fairly close to me in CA, and he has a few silver ancient coins that are reasonably priced. I'll share more about that as it develops. One thing is certain, and that is CCF is the place to meet others who are living with that dreadful and incurable disease NUMISTASIA!  Thanks very much for taking time to help me. I am one who loves to research every coin I own. To me, the great joy is contemplating the times and events that are represented on these incredible metal miniature time capsules. Blessings, Jack
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Beware of silver coins ! They can be like a narcotic and arouse passions that cause a steady heart to beat too fast. The beauty of silver can be captivating and can blind a mortal man !
Stay cheap for now If you must buy silver coins then try and avoid the ones that glitter and sparkle too much ....... They can make a fool of any man.
Bronze has a more sublime beauty And finding the little gems is the great challenge
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm curious about the sale you made with the other CCF member who lives in CA, are you guys located in the Bay Area? It would be nice to have people close to me interested in trading/selling/buying etc.
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Valued Member
 United States
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No, Arael. The friend I referred to lives closer to Los Angeles, and I live nearer to Riverside. So, same state, both SoCal, but not all that close. I know what you mean though. I don't have any resources near me (no LCS, no Shows, clubs, etc). And that's why I feel so fortunate to have found CCF.
What I lack in local support and interest, CCF and the new friends I've made here have really filled the void. Jack
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Until you feel more confident in buying what you have set your heart on, stick to a low budget per coin for at least the first few, and only buy from dealers who have a well established reputation.
I agree with arnoldoe: you do much worse for your next ancient, than buying an antoninianus (double denarius) of Gordian 111 of reasonable quality and value for money.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Sel - Great advice which I will most certainly follow. Thank you for taking time out to guide a beginner. You folks have provided me with solid advice and perfect suggestions for my next purchases.
It is somewhat breathtaking to actually hold something in your hand that is an actual "silent witness" to history. As I follow up on yours and others suggestions, I'll learn a lot about the various emperors, their strengths and weaknesses. My sincere thanks, Jack
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Valued Member
 United States
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
The collection and study of Late Roman Bronzes (LRB's) for ancient coins is something analogus the collection and study of Lincoln Wheat Cents (LWC's) for American coins.
You can do a study on the Emperors, and the politics of the late Roman Empire, or equally as well, the study of the mint and officina system of the period. University degrees have been conferred on scholars who have done this type of study. I have a copy of a thesis on the coinage of Constantine the Great, done by a scholar from Middle Tennessee State University.
A definitive reference book on the subject was written by Carson, Hill & Kent (British Museum): 'Late Roman Bronze Coinage'. Publ. Spink & Son, my copy a reprint in 1972. Fairly thin reference book, but should be very reasonably priced, if you are lucky enough to find a copy. Go to a major State library if you wish to locate and inspect a copy, then if you wish to obtain a copy, go to a leading ancient coin dealer to track one down for you.
LRB's can be had in reasonable condition from as little as $5 each.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Sel - Thanks for the guidance. The analogy helps put things into perspective. Truth be told, I don't as yet have a "direction." I'm very much like a kid in a candy store, so the lesser expensive coins would be more logical and it seems that means probably, for now, bronze/copper examples. When I began collecting US coins I began with modern issues and gradually branched out with early 20th century coins. Because I knew that date/mint sets of type coins was not practical financially for me, I approached them by purchasing one or two of several issues. That may be my most prudent approach to ancients as well. Again, thank you sincerely. Jack
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You can find Edward Gibbons "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire in almost any used book store and as you noticed it is readily available on Amazon. But if reading it online is something you would rather try it is also available for free ! http://www.ccel.org/g/gibbon/declin...1/chap29.htm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There is an adage among the collectors of ancients that is still good advice even in the age of the internet: buy the book, then buy the coin. Most newbies discover that most Greek coins worth looking at are also way outside their budget. Go for it if you have the time and patience to build a collection at the rate of one coin per month. Few do. I am going to assume that your adventures in Ancients will start with imperial Roman coins. (Republican denarii are fascinating, but can get pricey too in better grade.) As a beginner/newbie you are still trying to get the "lay of the land" and that means you need to see things in the "big picture" setting that a one volume catalog of ancient coins can provide even faster than online searches. Catalog sites, like Wildwinds, are a great supplement because of the enormous wealth of images, but with a book you can jump around faster. Hands down one of the first books I would recommend for you is the 4th revised edition of the book Roman Coins and their Values by David Sear, published by Seaby. It is being updated in a multivolume format, so the single volume is cheaper than it was (used) and better for your purposes anyway. If you think that learning how to read coin legends and identify a coin by its inscriptions and images is part of the thrill, then a close companion to the catalog is the guidebook by Zander Klawans Reading and Dating Roman Imperial Coins. Let your imagination soar for a while and don't lock in on any one coin type, even though the lowly late Roman bronzes may be what you buy most often. But since you asked, I want to make one comment on the lot of coins you linked to the list. At the early stages of learning how to read coin inscriptions, you should stick to buying coins with clear details and legible legends. Another aphorism among collectors is: buy the best you can afford. That can be tough to do, but there is a corollary that is often harder to practice - don't buy what you can't decipher. As your skill grows you will be able to read coins that no beginner can handle. But for now, resist the urge to add volume. That said, collecting by the pictures is a common shortcut way to start. Loads of enjoyment can come from that approach too. In the end, do what gives you the most satisfaction. And do keep coming to the CCF forum and other online groups. Welcome aboard! 
Edited by lrbguy 09/18/2015 10:44 am
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Valued Member
 United States
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LRB - Very wise counsel. The grouping of the 4 bronze coins, my most recent purchase, caught my eye because of the designs. I'm anxious to inspect them closely under magnification. The scenes depicted appear to be somewhat violent as in an emperor killing a rival. If I'm right it seems like there might be some interesting research attached. I was further motivated because I recognized the Seller, as one who has offered me help in this very forum (FvrivsRvfvs).
Notice, thus far, I have not purchased a silver example. Following your wisdom, it would be silly for me to make any substantial investment until I know more. The references that you all have given me will keep me busy for some time.
With a grand total of (now) five ancients (all apparently from the same relative time period), I have touched toe to water to the grand sum of less than $20. You are absolutely right. It's time to make an investment in knowledge. Included in that arena is reading the helpful posts that you and the others are providing here. Thanks, most sincerely, Jack
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