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You Vs. PCGS: 1914 $10

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 Posted 10/02/2015  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The silver coins must have seen the light of day occasionally, even if not in circulation.
The gold less so, and so the average grade would be bit higher.
I would think, on average, MS64 for gold would be about as common as MS62 for silver.

With the recend bullion sales for the gold $5 and $10, only the better grade coins would have been sold,
the lesser grade examples must have stood a greater chance of being melted.
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 Posted 10/02/2015  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
Lets try PCGS 64+ or higher if the luster is superb.
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 Posted 10/02/2015  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
MS64
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 Posted 10/02/2015  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list
I could see PCGS being really generous with this coin from what I can see from these scans and previous PCGS examples. I would not be surprised with a 64+.....
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 Posted 10/02/2015  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RichieD613 to your friends list
MS-63
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 Posted 10/02/2015  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list
Yikes, I'm surprised with the verdict here. The coin graded PCGS MS-65:

You-Vs.-PCGS:-1914-$10

My images show pretty clean fields but no luster, which is an issue for grading really. The images, which were taken under dim, yellow light, show the detail well but kill the luster. Here's a different set of pictures, from another PCGS graded 65.

You-Vs.-PCGS:-1914-$10
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 Posted 10/02/2015  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
What do I win?
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 Posted 10/03/2015  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Well, well.
I think that they are both MS64!
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 Posted 10/04/2015  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
Good call kbbpll. IMO neither of the coins pictured give an accurate
impression of what luster looks like on a true gem 65 coin.
Prior to the BOC release a gem 1914 would have been considered a
major rarity. Now with the BOC release the 1914 can be considered
a common coin in 65. PCGS has graded 310 in MS 65 with 33 graded
higher.
How many collectors of high grade Canadian gold are there? It will
be interesting to follow the pricing structure of the BOC hoard
going forward.
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 Posted 10/04/2015  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list

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I am still not sure why they relax standars when grading gold coins


Gold is incredibly soft, you can leave an indent in high purity gold with your fingernail. If you graded gold coins with the same criteria as nickel coins, you'd never see one grading better than about MS-63 unless it was a specially handled NCLT. Anything that ever saw a mint bag has marks, period.
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 Posted 10/04/2015  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list
Thanks 1cent, that is the heart of my question, is the purpose of grading to have MS65 coins or to apply a consistent standard across all coins. Should steel/nickle have a different standards than Silver? What about copper?

I understand that they do it, but it seems odd why, when they don't do it for older metals, unless they do, which would be news to me.

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 Posted 10/05/2015  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list
MS-65 is a "gem" grade based on the characteristics of a particular series. If the coin is soft or large (or both), it will be allowed more surface marks. It is a consistent method in that only the best coins of a series will attain high MS grades, based on the specific qualities of that series. A linear grading system across all coins would universally punish large, soft coins and favor small, hard ones.
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 Posted 10/21/2015  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add techwriter to your friends list
MS65? Take it with a big smile.
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 Posted 10/22/2015  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list
Got to love that Canadian gold.
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 Posted 10/22/2015  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
I've never heard of a 65 before..and I've never see one as nice as this..

That is super rare,..and even more so in the 14..and a ten dollar piece..These gold coins marked up ,..by just looking at them....

..very very tough coin here..and must have received special handing when compared to what we normally see..


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