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Valued Member
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Never say never my friend....and I think that would be the #1 reason whey they WOULD do it...to add a fee for regrading...they try to get their money just like everyone else in business...
Speedy
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Well, we've heard from all of us who don't like the concept of the 100-point grading system. Is there anyone out there who would like to give a few words in support of it? I'd really like to hear the pro view and the reasons behind it.
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Forum Mom
 United States
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While, in theory, the 100-point grading system would allow for more exact grades, I think it's a mistake. Consider the disagreements over the differences between an MS64 and an MS65 coin, or even more so with an MS66 to MS67 grade. While the more lax standards that are now being used can be a doorway to the 100-point system, I think it also stands to reason that we would be looking at a lot more coins that are not being graded properly. (Sorry, Fred, I know you were looking for someone in favor of it.  ) |
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I think it is all a joke and nothing more than the grading services trying to re-invent themselves and, of course, to line their pockets with our money. The collecting community, like it or not, is in total control here and all they have to do is (1) refuse to submit coins to any service that goes to a 100 point grading system and (2) refuse to buy slabs that carry the 100 point grading system. It wouldn't take six months for the grading service to announce their return to the old system as MONEY talks and its OUR money they want?
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United States
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Originally posted by crystalk64
I think it is all a joke and nothing more than the grading services trying to re-invent themselves and, of course, to line their pockets with our money. The collecting community, like it or not, is in total control here and all they have to do is (1) refuse to submit coins to any service that goes to a 100 point grading system and (2) refuse to buy slabs that carry the 100 point grading system. It wouldn't take six months for the grading service to announce their return to the old system as MONEY talks and its OUR money they want?
Do you really think that would happen though? So many people (both dealers and collectors) seem to have so much money wrapped up in (and revolving around) PCGS plastic that I just have to wonder if most of them would resist. Sure, 'regular' collectors (like myself and many others) would resist but I just wonder if that would have any real effect. As I said on another forum regarding a definition of Market Grading... Market Grading - He who controls the grades, controls the market. |
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Originally posted by Stujoe
Do you really think that would happen though? So many people (both dealers and collectors) seem to have so much money wrapped up in (and revolving around) PCGS plastic that I just have to wonder if most of them would resist. Sure, 'regular' collectors (like myself and many others) would resist but I just wonder if that would have any real effect.
As I said on another forum regarding a definition of Market Grading...
Market Grading - He who controls the grades, controls the market.
I would also think it would be a question of who LEADS the market: the collectors and dealers or the third-party grading services? I'm not hearing an outcry from the collectors and dealers to change the system; to the contrary, if this forum is any indication, then collectively the collectors/dealers are opposed to such a change. I would hope that the top TPGs read these forums and take heed from them. If they do not and they act as a cabal and successfully change the grading system despite the wishes of the market (us), then we'll have a pretty good idea who does, in fact control the system and, hence, the market. |
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As usual, very well said Fred. If as some of us now feel like we are being pulled around by the nose now, the TPGS adopting this against most collectors will, certainly proves your theory to be true. Mike
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United States
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Originally posted by Morgan Fred
I would also think it would be a question of who LEADS the market: the collectors and dealers or the third-party grading services?
I would say it is the third-party grading systems and the dealers who lead that segment of the market. If PCGS were to go to 100 and the dealers accepted it, what would the collectors do? Quit buying PCGS coins? Trash all their PCGS graded slabs? Move to another TPG? Probably not if the major delears stuck it out. I think it would take a major dealer exodus to stop it if PCGS really had their sights set on a 100 point system. For the record, I don't think they plan on going to a 100 point system. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Originally posted by Stujoe
For the record, I don't think they plan on going to a 100 point system.
I agree. I think the idea of it is a psyops game as I mentioned at the beginning of the thread. It's intended to make people despise gradflation and desire reform. IMO, "100 point grading" is setting the stage for "standard grading" between the major TPGs. And the "standards" will come from someone else, an association/trade organization, whatever, who the TPGs will "humbly" submit to in the interest of the hobby. In this way they admit nothing. They are not changing because their grading could suck-start a Harley Davidson, no, no, no, they are changing because they are "conforming" they are "complying" with the wishes of collectors. Of course this does mean that the "reformed" standards require a new slab to denote their compliance. And we all know what that means.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Originally posted by catman
If people can't tell the difference between one point on the 70 point system how would they ever manage on a 100 point system.?
catman
Well Steve, I got to thinking that this just may be the reason some of them think it's such a good idea. Keep them guessing! |
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Valued Member
United States
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No human eye could tell a difference between MS 100 and MS 99. Any service that would claim to be able to do that would lose all credibility. That's adding almost one half again as many points to the system. I would hope at that point people would finally stop submitting coins!(except maybe for certification as to authenticity, which the original ANACS was created for)
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United States
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Originally posted by adobero1
No human eye could tell a difference between MS 100 and MS 99. Any service that would claim to be able to do that would lose all credibility. That's adding almost one half again as many points to the system. I would hope at that point people would finally stop submitting coins!(except maybe for certification as to authenticity, which the original ANACS was created for)
Adobero1, now you got me thinking (always a dangerous situation). I wonder if a computer-driven scanner machine could be devised which would be able to measure the difference between, say, MS-70 and MS-71 or MS-99 and MS-100. It would take the subjectivity out of coin grading and, presuming ALL the TPGs used the same scanner, would also remove grading inconsistencies. I'm certain I'm not the first to come up with this idea... But I'm also not certain if such a machine can be practically developed since the present grading system, especially between Mint State grades is based on appearance to the human eye. Fred |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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If you use a laser you could go to MS 1000 why stop at 100  |
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Valued Member
United States
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Originally posted by Morgan Fred
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Originally posted by adobero1
No human eye could tell a difference between MS 100 and MS 99. Any service that would claim to be able to do that would lose all credibility. That's adding almost one half again as many points to the system. I would hope at that point people would finally stop submitting coins!(except maybe for certification as to authenticity, which the original ANACS was created for)
Adobero1, now you got me thinking (always a dangerous situation). I wonder if a computer-driven scanner machine could be devised which would be able to measure the difference between, say, MS-70 and MS-71 or MS-99 and MS-100. It would take the subjectivity out of coin grading and, presuming ALL the TPGs used the same scanner, would also remove grading inconsistencies.
I'm certain I'm not the first to come up with this idea... But I'm also not certain if such a machine can be practically developed since the present grading system, especially between Mint State grades is based on appearance to the human eye.
Fred
In fact Fred we had a small discussion about this subject here already, see: https://goccf.com/t/2149&SearchTerm...uter,grading |
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United States
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Originally posted by CiScO
In fact Fred we had a small discussion about this subject here already, see: https://goccf.com/t/2149&SearchTerm...uter,grading
I completely missed that one. It came and went on 7 Sep which was the day I headed off for Katrina. Good discussion, however. I think it's doable, but the program parameters would have to be inserted very carefully and there'd be a lot of debugging to do. And it would meet a lot of resistance from collectors, dealers, and TPGs since it would completely change the hobby and industry. But all it would take is time and money; I think the technology is here. Fred |
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