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1923 Peace Dollar Grade Please (Has My NGC Slab Been Opened)

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 Posted 10/02/2015  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
Here's an ngc article about the Binion collection that was sold off in the early 2000's...
http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewart...IDArticle=37

I agree with 63 on this one due to cheek breaks. But what's that black on the lower obverse and under the eagle? Is it in a problem free slab? The reverse black looks like terminal toning but the obverse black has a strange pattern. Maybe someone spilled a cocktail on it at the casino?
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 Posted 10/02/2015  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
MS63 for me as well.
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 Posted 10/02/2015  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add proofreader to your friends list
Edited to remove NGC grade

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 Posted 10/02/2015  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Too many marks for a 65. MS-63
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 Posted 10/02/2015  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add proofreader to your friends list
I have now changed the photographs (they are now straight from the camera).

hopefully that will make a difference?

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 Posted 10/02/2015  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
The coin in the photo does not look MS65. Why do you think the slab has been opened? Can you post a photo of the slab front and back?
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 Posted 10/02/2015  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Well, I was going to say that Peace dollars are funny, and yours could be up to MS65. The luster is great, and there aren't any big digs. A few rub marks, and the fields and devices are in great shape. Don't post the grade so quick next time :-)

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 Posted 10/02/2015  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add proofreader to your friends list
Thanks, I've removed the grade from my post for anyone else that hasn't replied yet.
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 Posted 10/02/2015  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add proofreader to your friends list
Some more photos of slab and coin

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Does it look like it has been opened? - I read that these slabs often look a mess anyway. There is a noticeable seam but no cracks or splits.
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 Posted 10/02/2015  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list
Doubtful that it was opened. Read a couple of the threads about how to free coins from their holders. It usually involves a big hammer or a band saw.

I have found that most many of the Binion hoard coins are over graded. Due to the size of the hoard and the number of coins graded all at once, one would suspect that human nature would dictate that the coins probably ended up being graded against each other and less agaist a standard as the endless grading went on. Despite NGC's care in "blind" grading submissions.
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 Posted 10/02/2015  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
I don't know how many times you've edited the pics but the ones I see now look like a MS64. It's doubtful the slab has ever been opened. NGC slabs have a notable seam, sometimes big enough to run a thumbnail through it.
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 Posted 10/02/2015  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I think the first set of pics might be the most neutral, so I'll say 63.
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 Posted 10/02/2015  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add proofreader to your friends list
First set of pictures were taken this morning without a flash, second set taken later today with a flash.

If it's been graded "generously" because of the number of coins in the Binion hoard then I'm OK with that. I guess I like the story behind them.

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 Posted 10/02/2015  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rollsearcher37 to your friends list
The second round of photos is more forgiving, but I agree with the others - no higher than MS-63.
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 Posted 10/02/2015  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
It looks MS-63 to me.
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