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Edited by OcalaFlorida
10/07/2015 11:36 pm
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Yes, there are three types of "defective" S mint marks, Wiles displays them at Varietyvista. As to the Large (type 1) and small (type 2) types of S mint marks, the larger S mint mark is found only on the small date 1974 S mints, known as the type 2 mint mark. Easy way to remember is the large date Type 1 -- has the type 2 mint marks, and the small date Type 2, -- have the type 1 mink mark style. Per this quote from: http://www.thecentproject.comRegarding 1974S cents... "To date ALL known proof cents are large date. No small date proofs have ever been reported. This may help. Another thing that may help with 1974S business strike cents is that all known examples of large date cents have the type 1 (earlier type) mintmark. All small date examples known have the type 2 (later type) mintmark. This is only true with business strike S-mint cents The proof cents are known with both mintmarks." I trust this assists. By the way, there are a lot of variations in the 1974 cent series -- yes?  Gary in Washington |
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There are several indeed, and I'm confused at what you wrote. It seems like there's conflicting info written.
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Can you please clarify?
74s large date cents are referred to as type ?
74s small date cents are referred to as type ?
74 large s mint marks are referred to as type ?
74 small s mint marks are referred to as type ?
And so the variation list for 74S cents would be:
74S large date, large S (type x / type x)
74s large date, small s (type x / type x)
74S small date, large S (type x / type x)
74s small date, small s (type x / type x)
Thank you!
Edited by Joecontois
10/08/2015 2:17 pm
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Here is an image that I edited to show the differences. From http://www.thecentproject.com/sort1974.phpQuote:
All small date examples known have the type 2 (later type) mintmark. This is only true with business strike S-mint cents The proof cents are known with both mintmarks.  Any information contained in this website is reproducable without prior consent with the sole restriction that its author, Charles D. Daughtrey be credited for the information used. Edited by coop
10/08/2015 3:03 pm
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Mr. Cooper, I really enjoy your work, numismatically. Great stuff. Gary in Washingtom  |
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Thanks Gary. I have the 6 business strike variations. I can easily see the difference between the large and small date cents by looking at the horizontal bar of the 4, and the spacing between the rim and words, but I welcome any tips. My main question had to do with the S mint mark cents. So the large date cents are called type 1, and the small dates type 2. Based on your last post,
small date type 2 cents have a characteristic s called type 1, and
large date type 1 cents have a characteristic s called type 2,
so my question is, can the
small date type 2 cents have the type 2 mint mark, and can the
large date type 1 cents have the type 1 mint mark?
... or rather, are either of these variations known of? I think you may have said one of these is known, I'm just not sure which one.
There's still conflicting info because Gary said the small dates have a characteristic s called type 2, but coop's quote says all small dates have type 1 s's.
And sure, I'd like to see a pic of the wild hair variety.
Edited by Joecontois
10/09/2015 1:34 pm
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Also the reverses are different:  Quote:
There's still conflicting info because Gary said the small dates have a characteristic s called type 2, but coop's quote says all small dates have type 1 s's. That is from the a quote from that site. I find it always more handy to see them side by side to see the differences. |
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well I save all S's that I come across so I'll be able to further analyze them when I have a better understanding. Until then, I'm happy with the 6 business strike variations.
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 Joecontois incase I missed that before. Always save anything that looks different in a tube, so later when you eye develops, then you will know what to keep and what to toss back. (the title of the youtube videos in my signature line. There are five different ones, about 2.5 hours total) Check below |
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Cool, I'll have to check them out. Thank you. My confusion only lies with the two different types of S mint marks, and if both of them are found on both large and small date coins. On a side note, I'm glad I heard of Machine Doubling before I found a coin with doubling. Now I know not to get overly excited thinking I have a DD coin when it could just be MD. Maybe one of your videos highlights some of the differences. Thanks again! Edited by Joecontois
10/09/2015 2:23 pm
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as far as I know, and as my experience proves, this quote: "Another thing that may help with 1974 S business strike cents is that all known examples of large date cents have the type 1 (earlier type) mintmark. All small date examples known have the type 2 (later type) mintmark. This is only true with business strike S-mint cents. The proof cents are known with both mintmarks." per Charles D. Daughtrey http://www.thecentproject.com/sort1974.phpI am not going to repeat it again, and I am going to post a few images of the wild hair varieties, which should also interest Mr. Cooper. I am also engaged in the study of other potential variations, like the "FG" initials, and Lincoln's bust. etc. etc..  Stay tuned! Gary in Washington Edited by GSDykes
10/11/2015 4:51 pm
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Okay a few images, greatly reduced in resolution per this site's criteria: First a sample of the wild hair 1974 D, large date:  Next is a comparision of the two S type mintmarks, from a large date and a small date. You need a good loupe to really and easily distinguish these: these are to scale!  and finally, an easy way, I use, to recognize the large and small dates, per the shape of the "4", after time this becomes easy to spot.  It is well known that the hair on the first hub of the 1974 dies had improved detail. But....some of the large dates had a wild hair, with wispy strands. This "variety" is seen on both Philadelphia and Denver mints. So it was due to a master hub sent to both (or am I more correct in saying a "master die"?). The wild hair type, is indeed a different design change, it is not the result of over polishing, as far as I can discern. It is not common. I find one per every 150 large date cents. Out of 6,000 cents (CRHing) I found 7 wild hair types. It does not occur on the small date coins, nor the S mint coins, nor the proofs, nor the rare aluminum coin. Gary in Washington Edited by GSDykes
10/11/2015 7:14 pm
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Joe Contois wrote: and I'm confused at what you wrote. It seems like there's conflicting info written. Alas!! I reread my replies and yes, I mixed up the type S mint marks with the large and small dates types. I goes with 1 and II goes with 2. Easy to remember. The images above are correct, but in an earlier post made I presented an error, and you caught it. The Large dates are called type I, and if of San Francisco, they will always type I S mint marks, as per the above images. The small date 1974 coins are called type II, and if with an S mint mark, that is also a type II S mint mark. Whew, I got me talking to meself. At least I can still recall where my car keys are, and my address, though not ancient, I am getting older (searching for an excuse -  ). Thank you, Gary in Washington Edited by GSDykes
10/11/2015 7:52 pm
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I knew something was mixed up so that's why I kept *repeating* my question until I got the answer. Thank you for clearing it up!
Edited by Joecontois
10/13/2015 11:22 pm
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