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Valued Member
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The starting bid price $2,500 plus taxes and buyers premium is ridiculous for a partial and incomplete set. I'd be willing to part ways for my complete set.
Edited by Coinsplus 09/22/2018 5:02 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Generally in these instances as with the 20005 P NONMAG penny the auctioneer promoted as only one known two bidders went gaga and it sold for over 20K then they started to come out of the woods. Ether there will be no bids or be bid to goofy range due to description, I hope the auction goes goofy for your sake.
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Valued Member
 Canada
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I just don't like Geoffrey Bell's DISHONEST slick marketing skills where they plagiarized my description, specifications and sentences and pretend they found this amazing discovery. They should state 250 sets were issued, but seemed to have conveniently not to plagiarize that material fact for these test tokens. And obviously, the Geoffrey Bell team cannot think for themselves using their own words, and had to also copy my title with the same quotation marks of the Royal Canadian Mint "Colour Technology" Test Tokens. Besides that, I am indifferent if these tokens go through the roof or are worth a few bucks. I am livid at that fact that they STOLE my words for their own self interest and benefit, without acknowledging that they obtained this information from my posting on this community forum. All they care about is achieving top dollar and fame. Don't pick and choose what you want to plagiarize, and forget to state 250 sets were made. Because of this I would never use their services or purchase from them. Integrity and principle is paramount for any business, which they completely lack. So much for them stating the following in their catalogue. "Our integrity and honesty are paramount to us at all times and we are not reticent to tap the top expertise in North America to help us with attribution."
Edited by Coinsplus 09/23/2018 01:34 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Well 3500 plus juice and tax, close to estimate, quite a lot for a recent RCM token
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Valued Member
 Canada
430 Posts |
Paying over $4000 with buyers premium plus taxes, and that is for just two of the three tokens. That would make it around $5,000 - $6,000 for the full set. I'd rather spend my money on a RCM 1908 Specimen Set than for these modern test tokens. I'll throw my full test token set into some auction.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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@Coinsplus: Did you ever contact Geoffrey Bell and express your displeasure with their use of your information?
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that an underling at the company wrote the description and didn't cite sources to those who reviewed the catalogue. The details should have been checked/sourced, but things do slip by.
I wouldn't trash the entire company or call them dishonest when the mistake was likely made by a single individual.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
Edited by commems 09/27/2018 11:47 pm
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Moderator
 Canada
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Actually - they probably consulted outside the auction house for the description (e.g., they sometimes use me to validate and describe errors). Whomever they consulted, probably found the CCF post through a Google search (CCF is designed well, to capture Google searches)...
Coinsplus, did you even try to contact GBA directly, before you posted here?
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Valued Member
 Canada
430 Posts |
I didn't bother contacting them. There is no point as it was already done. I got messages galore from fellow members on this forum thinking it was my tokens that I put up for sale with Geoffrey Bell auctions as they not only used my words but also described a collector who attended the conference that managed to obtain the set. So, when someone puts 2 + 2 together, the assumed seller was me. Which is not the case. I posted this back in 2015, wanting to share my findings with fellow collectors, but when someone takes and plagiarize all my information (title, description and specifications) for their own COMMERCIAL purpose especially to garner interest in their auction without citing sources, in my opinion, this just lacks integrity, honesty, and credibility on their part. Pure laziness and greed. No matter who it is, anyone that has completed high school and/or post-secondary education knows that plagiarism is wrong and unethical. I have other modern RCM Test Tokens which have never been seen before, and I am hesitant to make those known on this forum because of this bitter taste this recent auction leaves me with. I apologize for this rant.
Edited by Coinsplus 09/28/2018 09:45 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Thank you, Coinsplus , for sharing the thoughts. Quote:I have other modern RCM Test Tokens which have never been seen before, and I am hesitant to make those known on this forum because of this bitter taste this recent auction leaves me with. I apologize for this rant. Better, do not post this info. There is a "but": When you own something extremely rare, and unknown, there is zero of awareness or demand.... I am not suggesting or advising....but maybe better to sell? It looks like, these items demand huge premium.
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Pillar of the Community
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This same auction company sold a 1970 Manitoba gold dollar a couple of years ago, a coin they know is property of the RCM and illegal to possess or sell. Just one example of their lack of integrity. I could go on.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Your post gave insight into these tokens, although the auctioneer sort of skipped the most important fact the mintage, as mentioned most of us who would have driven the price upwards came to same conclusion thanks to your posting as logic took over as mentioned before. Too much knowledge is rarely bad for the hobby, seems like you have unique access to the RCM posting neat items will help all especially new collectors, if you have no love for this item and you have the whole set and folder place it in the next major auction, kind of strike while the iron is hot, on the other hand if your are a collector that's a different story, and thanks for the info and good luck !
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Thanks, I will consider placing my test token set for sale in an auction (excluding Geoffrey Bell) in the near future. I will have the set including the original mint folder available.
This set will continue to be challenging to find and still rare, as most samples were distributed to employees of central banks and are in foreign governments' collections.
I love to share knowledge of rare findings, but will limit that to local fellow collectors that I see face-to-face. As a moderator on another forum, I certainly take pride on what I post and share, but do not appreciate or tolerate businesses exploiting without citation, and 'selectively' plagiarizing material information to the detriment of fellow coin and paper money enthusiasts.
Edited by Coinsplus 09/29/2018 12:32 pm
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Moderator
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"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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