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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Valued Member
Canada
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I like the new forum section as well for tackling counterfeits. Although I agree there are nefarious sellers out there, there are also sellers who may innocently not know that a coin they may be selling is counterfeit; so on that point, I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt, and I think we can do that by giving them an opportunity to remove the listing/issue refund once it is brought to their attention that the item they are selling is (conclusively proven) to be a counterfeit item. Secondly, with respect to the objective of the new CCF counterfeit section, I'd suggest it not be limited to ebay listings, as people are finding new ways of facilitating numismatic sales. Just my 2 (discontinued) cents. |
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Forum Dad
 United States
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ebay is the only place I have pull, so only post ebay please. All posting others accomplishes is showing people where to buy them.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I disagree with your latter comment. Revealing other marketplaces that have counterfeit items as a means of broader CCF-member awareness is arguably part of the point in having this section in the first place.
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Forum Dad
United States
24173 Posts |
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I disagree with your latter comment. Revealing other marketplaces that have counterfeit items as a means of broader CCF-member awareness is arguably part of the point in having this section in the first place. Nope, about 100K pairs of unique eyeballs peruse this forum every day, including criminal eyeballs. Heck, we've had Chinese counterfeiters post their coins here posing as collectors so WE can tell them what's wrong with their work. We're not going to broadcast where to buy counterfeits, not with the exposure we get here. All that serves to do is help shysters, and maybe create new ones if the timing is right. I have no problem with posting images of counterfeits, but absolutely not links to where they can be bought for pennies. |
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Valued Member
Canada
403 Posts |
Perhaps we're talking about 2 different things. I'm not talking about counterfeit suppliers. I'm talking about people selling coins that are listed as legit (maliciously/innocently), but really aren't. I've come across stuff like that on occasion from auctioneers using iCollector.com; which, as I'm sure you know, many other respectable coin dealers/auctioneers use, and subsequently, collectors buy from.
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Valued Member
Canada
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As an aside, if we have that many unique eyes watching our CCF, why not lock out guest browsing and force visitors to register for free?
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Forum Dad
United States
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Because that's not what we're about. We're here to share with other collectors not keep secrets. Besides criminals know how to register. The new forum was created to report ebay counterfeits, that's all its for. After a few days the topics will be locked and moved to the correct forum. |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Then that makes the 100k unique visitor comment a pretty hollow argument to restrict this section to ebay listings only. Counterfeit listings exist well beyond the cyberwalls of ebay. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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ebay is still the largest marketplace it's a big step in the right direction since the RCM doesn't seem to care.
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Forum Dad
United States
24173 Posts |
If you don't like the forum, or what I'm doing to get listings taken down, don't use it. See if I care.
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Valued Member
Canada
403 Posts |
What I don't like is your attitude toward any constructive suggestion about something that benefits the members of this forum. It's not just about getting ebay listings taken down, because you'll never get them ALL taken down. Sometimes, all we can do is warn others of known fake listings, you know, in the spirit of sharing information and not keeping secrets, etc. |
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Forum Dad
United States
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Quote:It's not just about getting ebay listings taken down, You don't seem to get it. That's EXACTLY what these forums were created for because that's what I can fix. Usually within minutes. Instead of whining, how about you spend 30 hours a week of your time, with no compensation, and get us an inside person at one of these other sites so we can get something done on those too. I'll gladly allow them posted here then. |
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Moderator
Canada
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...is arguably part of the point in having this section in the first place. Wrong. Read the description of the new sub-forum. In fact, the first word of the sub-forum header is a pretty good clue as to what the point of the new section is.  Quote:
What I don't like is your attitude toward any constructive suggestion about something that benefits the members of this forum. It is very easy being an armchair coach, but something else entirely to dedicate time and money to implement changes here. Just because you think your suggestion is constructive, does not necessarily mean we all agree with you (or even if we agree with you, that it is not possible to implement)... Lastly, part of offering criticism is being able to receive it as well. Accept this as a step in the right direction for now, instead of arguing on principles. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Thanks for putting this together so far, every little bit counts.
I don't know if it is possible, but it would be interesting to see a count of how many sellers or listings taken down. You are doing great work and I think it would be neat to see some of the results and progress you are making.
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Posted 11/25/2015 12:01 pm
