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1878 CC Morgan - Help With Grade Please.

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 Posted 12/13/2015  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
I'm going to "homer call" it here - forgery.

The mintmark is awful.

The date is too large and set too far to the left.

The obverse rim is funky, and the surface appears to have casting porosity/pits.

Just my $1.

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 Posted 12/13/2015  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list
I agree the mintmark looks wrong, but everything else... not sure
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 Posted 12/13/2015  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree VF-25 and likely cleaned, but don't know enough about this date to know if it's a fake.
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 Posted 12/13/2015  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
The reverses of my 2 '78 CC's, a MS63DMPL and a VF20:

1878-CC-Morgan---Help-With-Grade-Please.

1878-CC-Morgan---Help-With-Grade-Please.
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 Posted 12/13/2015  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add proofreader to your friends list
That's very disappointing.

Haven't paid for them yet, I suppose my best option is to receive the coins and then request a return.
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 Posted 12/13/2015  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
I would wait till you have in hand and then post more pictures before you arrive at a decision.

Photos sometimes make things look weird or wrong when in reality there are not problems to be found
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 Posted 12/13/2015  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I mean, it isn't difficult to grade this coin. We don't know what you paid, but what were you hoping for? What did you think this was?

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 Posted 12/13/2015  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add proofreader to your friends list
Not especially worried about the grade, as they weren't expensive, just want them to be be the real thing.
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 Posted 12/14/2015  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list
VF details
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 Posted 12/14/2015  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srs77 to your friends list
If it's legit the grade is VF-25 details. But I agree the photo does makes me suspicious with that mint mark.
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 Posted 12/14/2015  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add proofreader to your friends list
What's the easiest / best way to check authenticity when I have them?

By weighing, or some other way?
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 Posted 12/14/2015  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
The coin looks authentic to me. I have it as a VAM17 based on the mint mark position and die gouges on the eye and in the nostril. Compare to this the link. http://www.vamworld.com/1878-CC+VAM-17
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 Posted 12/14/2015  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add proofreader to your friends list
Thanks Dave, very interesting, and that's a weight off my mind. It's certainly a distinctive variant (when you know what to look for).

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 Posted 12/14/2015  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
VF-25 details, cleaned. The 1878 CC is known to have a small CC.
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 Posted 12/14/2015  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Yup, I reviewed Dave's attribution, and it looks okay to me.

VF details.
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