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Are NCLT Coins Really Tanking Or Occassional Bargain.

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 Posted 01/26/2016  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list
I have also been reading Coin World column, the analyst it gives a broader perspective. Its an eye opener and gives a different perspective, especially when reading the comments. It just be a downturn in local markets. Especially in auctions, however, prices are still high in BINS.

Also as collectors aren't we keeping the coins we buy. What is changing is the opportunity to fund your collection by flipping. Flipping is a rather new approach, made possible by ebay. All of a sudden everyone is dealing coins. So now there is a lot more competition, which can drive prices down, with sellers trying to under bid each other.

What other time period in history offered this opportunity of selling your own coins to a world market. Yes the large number of releases in this market are having an effect on prices. Many collectors got spoil by buying extras to sell, in order to fund their collections. Reading the US nclt forums this is very apparent for the hot releases. They are very up front in talking about buying extras to resell and the price increases.

I think since flipping has declined in Canada, now collectors have soured on Canadian coins. What has happened to being happy with buying to just add to the collection. This was the way it was prior to ebay. I think the ease of ebay has changed the way we see and think about modern coins. Maybe we have gotten spoiled by funding our collection through flipping, hence the sour grapes talk. Things are always changing, an ebb and flow. No one can see the future. Its why the best advice is to carefully consider the next purchase.
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 Posted 01/26/2016  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nubee to your friends list
" Its why the best advice is to carefully consider the next purchase."
Both for collector appreciation or flipping
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 Posted 01/26/2016  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list
I just finished reading an interview of a dealer specializing in European modern coins in the states. He values nclt coins as artwork, done sometimes in very innovative ways. He said nclt is different than circulating coinage. Circulation coins are a means of exchange, where nclt coins are more like small works of art. This distinction makes a lot of sense. It explains why there can be two types of collectors and the different reasons behind specializing in one or the other. I like nclt coins to appreciate the artwork.

Money isn't lost until its time to sell, if we keep selling our coins, our collections would be bare. I think we need to take a hard look at why we buy the coins we do, what are our intentions and end purposes.

We all want cheap coins, however when prices cheapen, we all complain the market is crashing. Now we cant have it both ways. We need to choose one.
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01/26/2016 6:33 pm
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 Posted 01/26/2016  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
If one has any doubts about the health of the market place, TCNC has a whole auction of RCM products in a few days. Almost sure it's not going to be pretty, if you compare an artist who gets greedy and say allows 10,000 prints to be created, we can almost be assured that these prints will fall in value.
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 Posted 01/26/2016  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list
I will gladly pay up for a coin IF

a- it is something I like..

b- it increases in price in the secondary market after sometime..

one coin that I did break down to buy was the silver 2015 Back to the Future coin with the Delorean.


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 Posted 01/26/2016  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
Seems the year of 2016 might be one of coasting in the eyes of RCM.

But next year - 2017 and Canada's 150th birthday - watch for a huge outpouring of NCLT, both individual coins and sets, to celebrate the event. If any of you collected NCLT during the millennium, you'll know what I mean (and one of the reasons I've moved away from getting too excited over "event" releases, the following year it's like "whatever")
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 Posted 01/26/2016  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list
Hopefully there will be some strong designs, similar to the 1967 designs. They need to put out some well thought out appealing designs that are meaningful. I do like the fact our coins have a minimum of text on them. I am putting money away in preparation for some worthy coins. The one thing I dislike on the American coins is the heavy use of text. I feel too much text detracts from coin designs, I
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 Posted 01/27/2016  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
A few months ago RCM put up various options of designs for the 2017 circulation coinage to public vote, did you notice it? They were nothing like the simplicity of 1967 and the majority were so overly detailed that what they intended to portray was lost in the complexity of design. But possibly RCM will create a 5oz NCLT, good chance of colouring....at least if it's somewhat larger people wouldn't need a magnifying glass!

Whatever is chosen though, I'm mostly looking forward to the circulation coin. It will generate a bit of excitement and prompts people to take a second look, something different, something to notice.
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 Posted 01/27/2016  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list
Yeah I missed the whole thing and there's no way to see the candidates. They had Alex Coleville design the 1967 coins, a world renown artist. This time it was an open contest, maybe a good design or two. I'm not holding my breath. Hopefully the none circulation coins will have a few stunners.
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 Posted 01/27/2016  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
Here's a link to the topic:
https://goccf.com/t/239264

I'd be very surprised if 2017 NCLT deviates entirely from the circulated designs as it would require a duplicate group of artists.
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 Posted 01/27/2016  07:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list
So almost guaranteed, that we well have "alternative" circulation coins, as real circulation and NCLTs as well in the singles and various sets and subscriptions editions.
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 Posted 01/27/2016  07:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list
Well, the 125th anniversary of Canada's Confederation circulation coin set was pretty ugly.

I would not get my hopes too high for the 150th anniversary coins.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Canada-125th...AOSwHaBWmBEN

And the millennium set was pretty bad too.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Canada-Coins...AOSwKtlWoC0i

The worst was the stick figures and the weird kids. Some of the coins looked designed by a 10 yr. old.
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01/27/2016 07:51 am
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 Posted 01/27/2016  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list
The two sets above (quarters) were intended to get young collectors interested in the hobby.

I'd love to see the 1967 Alex Coleville designs re-used for 2017, including the 50 cent piece.
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 Posted 01/27/2016  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
Maybe we should have a 2017 What's Your Bet thread.

I think the options will include 1oz silver, and 5oz NCLT, option of gold-plated or painted, all replicas of 2017 circulation coin. The "big coin" series, in preparation, has been gearing up for that, it forms a sequence.

It certainly would be fantastic if RCM were to reissue a 1967 set. However I'm not thinking that will happen because it would be unusual to issue a new 2017 design of circulated coinage to commemorate the 150th anniversary of confederation, while minting NCLT that commemorates the 100th anniversary. I think RCM made a huge mistake by not reusing the 1967 theme:-(
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 Posted 02/08/2016  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wilsonwu89 to your friends list
I think a lot of the new grannybaitish stuff the RCM has been releasing as of late is really hurting the hobby (e.g. Looney Tunes, Nascar)

However, it seems a lot of their classic stuff like commemorative dimes, quarters and loonies that I'm selling are as hot as ever. People like collecting things that look like circulation coinage but are of a different design you can't get in change. I listed things 2 days ago on ebay, didn't look at them and some of them are already at $20, or have 20+ watchers!

A lot of my coin auctions have more than 10 watchers so I guess coin collecting isn't dead...yet. :)
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